[ExI] flds raid, was general repudiation...

[Rafal Smigrodzki]

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:09 PM, John Grigg <possiblepaths2050 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rafal wrote:
>  Since you never answered in the affirmative to my questions about
>  physical abuse, rape, and incarceration, I assume you actually agree
>  with me that none of these acts of violence plays a significant role
>  in maintaining polygamous families in the US.
>  >>>
>
>  Rafal, there is "hard-style" abuse  and then there is "soft-style (but
>  in its own way just as bad...)" abuse.

### Well, yeah, that's the point: by the general notion of
reciprocity, you may not answer "soft abuse" (= preaching bullshit)
with hard abuse, i.e. men with bullets. Are you getting the point? The
end does not justify the means. You absolutely must limit yourself to
non-violent means if you are dealing with non-violent people, even if
it sticks in your craw edgewise.

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>  And yes, mom, grandma, dad, uncle joe, aunt mary, etc., do support
>  this system, but does that make it right?

### It doesn't make it right or wrong but does disarm your implication
that the FLDS society is a tyranny of perverse old men. No, it's
simply a bunch of religious nuts, every single one of them, and they
like this way.

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LOL  It is the human
>  condition to generally support those in powerful positions when you
>  have been indoctrinated from birth that they have authority direct
>  from God to tell you what to do (and when to do it).  Please keep in
>  mind that in a number of these polygamous communities that voicing
>  disagreement with the "lecherous old sleazeballs" in power could
>  easily result in losing your job, house, property and even your family
>  (are you even aware of this fact?)!  The iron grip the leadership has
>  in these polygamous hierarchies tend to keep the rank and file in line
>  and their mouths shut....
>

### If you can't beat, kill and torture your subjects you can't have
an "iron grip". Look at it this way: The communes are mostly a bunch
of women, running their lives according to their beliefs. Women are
more religious than men - FLDS gives them that. Women are less
interested in sex - in FLDS they have to put up (or maybe out) less
than in monogamous relationships. Many women like children - FLDS
gives them that too. They are really running the business. They are
more numerous, better able to build hierarchies and networks of power.
They do the indoctrination while their children are young and
malleable. They decide which one goes to sleep with the old man on any
particular night. So yes, some dudes have a lot fun too. Are you
really so pissed off at that?

And, BTW, hundreds of innocent women and children have just lost their
families because of people like you, enthusiastically supporting your
local SWAT team. Aren't you worried that *your* iron grip (and I mean
it literally - as in manacles, prison bars, youth detention) will hurt
them?

Rafal