[ExI] Mind Uploading article in Wikipedia

Brent Allsop brent.allsop at comcast.net
Tue Apr 7 03:57:35 UTC 2009

Ask everyone what they think.  Great idea Stathis.  That is precisely 
the purpose of this topic at canonizer.com:


(Also, joining the yes camp (or any supporting sub camp) gets you one 
vote with the Transhumanist canonizer.  I trust the moral judgment of 
such people  much more than no people.)  And nobody  has to guess when 
merging all the similar responses e-mailed, and nobody has to tally them 
all up.  And when anyone converts to another camp, everyone will  see it 
instantly.  And we won't have to keep asking such questions, and re 
answering the question for everyone over and over again add infinitum.  
Wouldn't it be great to know concisely, quantitatively, what all 
transhumanists think, and also what everyone else thinks, and why?  I 
think such knowledge would have a profound effect on the world for good, 
and would allow us to much more powerfully propagate such good memes.

As you can see, so far there are 5 people unanimously in the Yes camp.  
And two of these people are in a supporting sub camp that recognize that 
there is more to 'uploading' than just a disconected, abstracted system 
that only abstractly behaves like the original, and is not phenomenally 
like the original.

Mike, when you say you'd just employ drugs to  erase some bad memory or 
whatever, to me such is just as bad as the response I get from people 
that believe some of their loved ones will go to hell.  I ask them if 
they will be happy in heaven knowing their brother is in hell.  Often 
times they reply with something like: 'God will just make us forget 
them'.  Yea right.  In other words, such imaginings are logically 
impossible for any sufficiently advanced / intelligent being.

The theories described in the consciousness is representational and real 
camp (http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/6) predict that there will be 
effing uploading / transporting techniques that will completely 
eliminate any and all of these problems, easily, obviously, 
scientifically with no worries at all for anyone.  A short fictionalized 
account / falsifiable prediction of how this will be done and what it 
can be phenomenally like is contained in two short chapters of a story 
starting here:


As always, I'd love to know, concisely and quantitatively what everyone 
thinks, especially if such a story converts anyone to a different camp.



Mike Dougherty wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Stathis Papaioannou <stathisp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps we could ask the list: is there anyone who would ordinarily
>> refuse destructive teleportation but would accept if guaranteed that
>> their soul/ consciousness/ precious bodily fluids would be duplicated?
> Well, I don't really have anywhere useful to teleport "to" at the
> moment, but if there is some kind of compensation backing that
> guarantee...  Then I might be tempted to teleport to anywhere, then
> try to collect the compensation when I later claim that my "qualia
> feels all wrong" because I know for sure there's no way to disprove my
> claim.
> But on the grounds of honesty, I have to admit that I'm ambivalent
> regarding teleportation.  By the time we have the technology so it
> would matter, we'll also have either ReallyGood drugs / effective mind
> reprogramming so any nagging guilt I might feel can also be simply
> excised.
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