[ExI] META: A modest proposal for the Extropy-Chat list

femmechakra at yahoo.ca femmechakra at yahoo.ca
Wed Apr 29 02:44:07 UTC 2009

It's not that complicated. Lee has been an avid poster for as long as i've been on the list.  At times, he is exuberant and at times he is important to discussion.  Imho maybe he just said the wrong thing at the wrong time..so what?  It's the Extropy list...do we really need to create certain norms to post...please don't make me feel like I'm on the Eliezer chain all over again...it is a public diverse chain.

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Max More <max at maxmore.com> wrote:

> From: Max More <max at maxmore.com>
> Subject: [ExI] META: A modest proposal for the Extropy-Chat list
> To: "Extropy-Chat" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Received: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 7:19 PM
> I believe that Spike will be back in
> regular email contact sometime next week. Until then, I
> suggest we table any direct discussion of the moderation of
> Lee Corbin. (As I said before, it's my understanding that
> Lee is indeed on moderation and has not been "expelled". Use
> of the term "booted" or "expelled" is unhelpful because it
> fails to distinguish between these two possibilities.)
> In the meantime, this issue -- and I don't pretend to have
> read anything close to every post by Lee recently (though I
> certainly value his contributions in general) -- raises
> again the question of how best to manage this list according
> to the purposes for which is was created early last decade,
> and for which it still exists. Personally, as a co-owner of
> this list, I feel internal conflict. One the one hand, I
> don't like to suppress vigorous debate on controversial and
> troubling topics (such as forcibly relocating people of a
> certain religious belief). On the other, this list -- to
> retain its unique flavor -- should cleave reasonably closely
> to the Principles of Extropy. One of those, you may recall,
> says something about Self-Direction which, in my mind, is
> not remotely compatible with forced relocation of people who
> hold stupid beliefs (and, frankly, Muslim beliefs ARE stupid
> and dangerous) but do nothing coercive in pursuit of those
> beliefs.
> What to so? I do think that we face an overwhelming amount
> of digital "stuff" and quite reasonably want to focus our
> discussions. Requiring some basic level of adherence to the
> Principles of Extropy on this particular list seems quite
> reasonable to me. (And I don't believe anyone could
> demonstrate dictatorial behavior from me. EVER.)
> Rather than an "either-or solution", perhaps we can develop
> a workable and productive "and" solution. In barest form,
> that would mean moderating this list -- probably a little
> *more* vigorously than we have historically -- while
> creating a new list. The new list, perhaps named
> "Extropy-Controversial" or "Extropy-Unmoderated" would be
> the place to take all discussions which the moderators deem
> unsuitable to Extropy-Chat. Each message might carry a note
> saying that the posts to the list cannot be taken as
> representative of extropian transhumanism.
> How exactly this might work, I'm not sure. For instance, at
> what point should moderators move such discussions to the
> other list? What penalty should there be for those who
> contravene the policy and insist on posting inappropriately
> to the current list? Those kinds of questions should be
> discussed here.
> I'm wary of raising these issues now, while Spike is
> apparently away from the List for a few days (or perhaps has
> limited access), since he has -- at cost and no reward to
> himself -- recently been the main moderator of the List, and
> I don't want to burden him with catching up on a potentially
> vigorous discussion. However, the public inquiry and a
> couple of private inquiries about the status of Lee Corbin
> have prompted these thoughts.
> So, regarding the possibility of:
> Extropy-Controversial"
> or
> "Extropy-Unmoderated
> ...what are your thoughts?
> Max
> Max More, Ph.D.
> Strategic Philosopher
> www.maxmore.com
> max at maxmore.com 
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