[ExI] atheists de-baptize unbelievers:

darren shawn greer dgreer_68 at hotmail.com
Wed Jul 21 13:51:58 UTC 2010

>Einstein was an agnostic. He specifically denied believing in a
personal God. 
A quote from the later Time article. Full text reached by the link below.
'It may seem logical, in retrospect, that a combination of awe and rebellion made Einstein exceptional as a scientist. But what is less well known is that those two traits also combined to shape his spiritual journey and determine the nature of his faith. The rebellion part comes in at the beginning of his life: he rejected at first his parents' secularism and later the concepts of religious ritual and of a personal God who intercedes in the daily workings of the world. But the awe part comes in his 50s when he settled into a deism based on what he called the "spirit manifest in the laws of the universe" and a sincere belief in a "God who reveals Himself in the harmony of all that exists."'

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298,00.html#ixzz0uKBOv2Eq


From: dgreer_68 at hotmail.com
To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
Subject: RE: [ExI] atheists de-baptize unbelievers:
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:18:06 -0400

>Einstein was an agnostic. He specifically denied believing in a
personal God. 



Entirely untrue. He was not agnostic but a believer.  Remember Einstein's often used quip to Bohr, that "God does not play dice."? Time magazine did an interview with him--you can probably find it on-line--where he discusses his belief in God. They also did another piece in 2006 about his stated belief, and how the Christians tried unsuccesfully to make him a poster boy--his God was static and non-interventionist. But if you do the research, you'll see enough to convince yourself, I think. BTW, he  referred to God as "the Old One."

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> From: stathisp at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:44:28 +1000
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> Subject: Re: [ExI] atheists de-baptize unbelievers:
> 2010/7/21 darren shawn greer <dgreer_68 at hotmail.com>
> >
> > >They're not all bad but they're still wrong. Truth is not a matter of
> > >utility: if the belief in a flat Earth could be shown to have a
> > >calming, positive influence on the life of the believer it is no less
> > >a false belief for that. The flat-earthers are generally harmless folk
> > >and perhaps we should leave them alone, but if they had vast amounts
> > >of money and influence and went about successfully turning people to
> > >their view they should be vigorously opposed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If it were a matter of something as concrete as a flat earth, then you simply show a picture of a round earth and there ends your argument. Any further discussion of flat earth is simply delusion. But it's unfortunately not a matter of the physical universe. There is neither anything in the universe that points to the necessity of a creator, nor anything that absolutely precludes one. As Huston Smith says, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
> There are infinitely many propositions that can neither be proved nor
> disproved, and the way we deal with them is for the most part to
> ignore them. Have you ever tried arguing with someone who is
> clinically diagnosed with a psychotic disorder? They have a ready
> answer to every objection you raise to their delusional beliefs.
> Einstein was a believer in a God, because the laws he uncovered were
> so immutable and precise he could not imagine a process of physical
> creation without one. Was Einstein deluded? Perhaps. He still
> contributed greatly to modern science, as I doubt anyone here will
> argue.
> Einstein was an agnostic. He specifically denied believing in a
> personal God. Still, it is possible to be deluded about one part od
> reality and still function relatively normally. In psychiatry that
> forms the distinction between delusional disorder and paranoid
> schizophrenia.
> --
> Stathis Papaioannou
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