[ExI] Bodies

[natasha at natasha.cc]

Quoting jameschoate at austin.rr.com:

> ---- Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc> wrote:
>
>> The discussion on "bodies" leaves a lot to be desired.  Since this is the
>> Extropy list, in a world of Extropy, there are a few crucial thinking tools
>> which foster the extent of a system's intelligence, information, order,
>> vitality and capacity for improvement.
>> http://www.extropy.org/principles.htm
>
> It leaves out the critical parameter of 'justification' simply to do  
>  something because one can is insane. One -must- be able to answer   
> the 'Why?' with an argument that is logical and ethically   
> consistent. I don't see that in Extropianism as it exists now.

I did not use the term "Extropianism".  On another point, critical  
thinking is a core value to the philosophy of Extropy.  Critical  
thinking includes asking questions.  (i.e., Critical thinking is the  
application of logical principles, rigorous standards of evidence, and  
careful reasoning to the analysis and discussion of claims, beliefs,  
and issues.)

>> On this list, to argue whether or not there will be synthetic existence is
>> naïve.
>
> That's not what was being argued. What was being argued was the   
> degree and what the social value was of that choice. To miss such a   
> distinction indicates a lack of attention.

I am not going to respond to this.

>> The more apt conversation ought to concern methodologies in gaining
>> momentum on these processes.
>
> That is only one side of the coin. Without the contra coup it is a   
> sterile effort rife for abuse and misuse. To quote Jefferson again   
> "Let history be the judge."

This is not worth responding to as well because you seem to trying to  
prove a point, which could be meaningful but falls short because of  
your accusation and your attitude.

> Besides, if this was -really- what Extropianism was about it would   
> be focused on venture capital (eg Y Combinator, or Innocentive).   
> There is one and only one method to gain momentum and that is to   
> fund it.

I'm not sure where this rant comes from, but Extropy is not a  
business. Alternatively there is funding and that is what I suggested  
be discussed.

>> (I was just a panelist on "AI" at the SXSWi with   
>> http://my.sxsw.com/e/403  Doug Lenat, Bart Selman and Peter
>> Stone, Mason Hale. Listening to the audience reaction (a packed conference
>> room at the Hilton), it was very evident that the concept of a "Metabrain"
>> (which is a vital part of Primo Posthuman
>> http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0405.html ) was
>> *applauded* by the audience.) And with the excitement came all the issue
>> surrounding metabrain and the whole brain emulation upload, which share some
>> identifiable links.
>
> Too bad I missed that. However, actually living in Austin for many   
> years and knowing the kinds of people here I'm not sure you're   
> implication of popularity is as wholehearted as it might seem.    
> Austin: Keep it Weird.

First, SXSWi is not about Austin locals.  Second, it is an  
international event with thousands (15,000) people from all over the  
word.  Lastly, your inference is beyond the pale.

Natasha