[ExI] Flash of insight...

[Brent Allsop]

Alan,

It is certainly possible there is some amount of diversity in the way people
consciously represent themselves.

So you don't have a feeling of looking out of your eyes?  And can you
imagine what an out of body experience might be like?

Thanks, Stefano, for mentioning the recent scientists that were able to so
easily induce out of body experiences.  Here is one reference to some of
this work in science daily:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070823141057.htm

Alan, I bet you'd have fun if you could get a head set and camera setup like
that, so you could experience such yourself.  Certainly experiencing this
would be very enlightening to everyone.

I'm always chuckling at how people are so clueless when they talk about
having a 'spirit' or an "out of body experience' in the traditional
religious interpretation way.  Everyone assumes such dosn't have to have any
knowledge.  The referent or reality isn't near as important as the knowledge
of such - whether veridacal or not.

All this induction of out of body experiences is as exactly as predicted is
possible by the emerging expert consensus "Representational Qualai Theory",
and as was described in the 1229 story, written well before such science was
demonstrated.  And we surely haven't seen the last of this type of stuff -
wait till we start effing the ineffable, and start learning just how diverse
various people's conscious experiences of the world, their bodies, and their
spirits are.  I look forward to soon knowing first hand just how diverse
your experience of yourself are, Alan, compared to my own.

Brent Allsop









2010/10/31 Alan Grimes <agrimes at speakeasy.net>

> > And remember that there are two parts to most conscious perception.
> > There is the conscious knowledge, and it's  referent.  For out of  body
> > experiences, the knowledge of our 'spirit' or 'I' leaves our knowledge
> > of our body (all in our brain).
>
> > Our conscious knowledge of our body has a referent in reality, but  our
> > knowledge of this 'spirit' does not.  Surely in the future we'll be able
> > to alter and represent all this conscious knowledge any way we want.
> > And evolution surely had survivable reasons for usually representing
> > this 'I' just behind our knowledge of our eyes.
>
> Interesting.
>
> I don't seem to have any such perception. I see what I see, I type what
> I type, but I'm not, metaphysically speaking, directly present in any of
> my own perceptions.
>
> I have no perception at all of being "inside my head" -- I am my head.
> =P It seems perfectly natural to me.
>
> People are always talking about this concept of "self esteem" WTF is
> that? I mean it's meaningless to either hold one's self in esteem or
> contempt.
>
> Generally, by my appearance and sometimes by my actions, I do display a
> lack of self-consciousness. =\ I'm not sure if that's directly related.
>
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