[ExI] atheists declare religions as scams.

[Darren Greer]

>What's the big deal about the bias against gay sex? Masturbation or
zoophilia or coitus  interruptus are equally condemned my monotheistic
ethics,

There's obvious differences. The bias is not simply against gay sex but gay
relationships in general. Many gay men and women view the emotional
relationship to be under attack rather than just the sex. And many religious
homophobes, as I stated in my original post, ignore other biblical
strictures in favor of promoting, often with a viscous zeal, the gay one.  I
suspect it's a double whammy -- a case of evolutionary revulsion coupled
with religious bias, making their objections particularly strenuous.

>Nietzsche has shown well enough one may become a perfect atheist and still
remain largely and sometimes unconsciously conditioned by values which
remain fundamentally christian.

True. But he took it even further, going as far as to say that all human
truth is a moral semblance. (Beyond Good and Evil) Not all monotheistic
ethics need to be disregarded, just as I'm not sure Nietzsche's approach to
ethics and morality is the best way to go either. I've always been partial
to the Aristotelian middle way, hovering dead centre between emotionalism
and rationalism.

Darren



2011/1/23 Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com>

> 2011/1/22 Darren Greer <darren.greer3 at gmail.com>
>
> >I'm always amazed at how few biblethumpers seem to know this.<
>>
>> I got over my amazement at the christian proselytizer's inability to
>> interpret the texts they are quoting from years ago. Being gay, I have made
>> two arguments  based on logic with religious homophobes a hundred times that
>> they always manage to deke around or entirely ignore.
>>
>>
> What's the big deal about the bias against gay sex? Masturbation or
> zoophilia or coitus  interruptus are equally condemned my monotheistic
> ethics, and, were it not for the obvious Darwinian disadvantage they suffer
> when they try to make it an unqualified rule for the entire population,
> strands prohibiting sex altogether would have become dominant since long.
>
> But yet at least in the christian context there is little doubt that
> absolute chastity represents the very best and what is right at least for
> the religious élite, if not for the unwashed masses.
>
> The West has survived and flourished in this respect only thank to
> doublethink, schizofrenia and the fact that even at the top of christian
> power many people liked perhaps a few fancy mythological stories, but could
> not care less about the rest and behaved in a perfectly "pagan" fashion.
>
> Or perhaps it is the need to overcome in everyday life such repressive
> values (which extend far beyond sexuality) which made us stronger than
> others in the past ("what does not kill thee, etc.").
>
> Most New Atheists concentrate too much IMHO on the judeo-christian
> confusion between the mythical and the empirical realm, and too less on the
> fact that how Nietzsche has shown well enough one may become a perfect
> atheist and still remain largely and sometimes unconsciously conditioned by
> values which remain fundamentally christian.
>
> --
> Stefano Vaj
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