[ExI] Dealing with transhumanism bashing

Tomaz Kristan protokol2020 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 23 07:03:25 UTC 2013

I don't think, Mr. Grimes, a Jurassic Park you are proposing is very

I don't think, the concept of the museum under the sky is that good. Nobody
would want to live there.

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG at verizon.net> wrote:

> =\
> Yes, Alex has some problems understanding some transhumanist concepts
> however, I think his recent coverage (in the past few weeks) of Kurzweil's
> ideas to be dead on accurate. =(
> Why am I the ONLY person who always gets upset when people spew garbage
> about how the entire universe will be converted to computronium, by human
> intention, and that everyone will be uploaded by means of destructive
> scanning, and, especially, that there is something *GOOD* about that
> future...
> I mean, why can't we have a discussion about how what criteria we will use
> to determine which limited parts of the universe will be used for
> computronium and which we will use for other purposes?
> Why can't we have a discussion about how to preserve humanoid life as an
> available choice?
> I've spent the last few months trolling for information about what good
> things will happen to an upload, once it is duly scanned and simulated. I
> have not gotten a good answer yet.
> What I found is that most of the websites of the people I know to be
> hard-core uploaders have been, um, *sanitized*. If you read their rantings,
> they are still absolutely in favor of every available nucleon being
> re-purposed for "simulation", whatever the hell that word means... (What
> the hell kind of "simulation" actually substitutes for reality instead of
> being a crude model of it??) -- I'm looking at you, Anissimov!
> Actually, my only real find came last week when I came across:
> http://enthea.org/writing/**reality-3-0-hypermediation-**
> paradise-engineering/<http://enthea.org/writing/reality-3-0-hypermediation-paradise-engineering/>
> Now how should I respond to this?
> "Oh it's only fiction, just an idea..." ???
> "How nice..." ????
> Or, should I say:
> "OMFG!!! Jeff Lutty actually intends to release the Nats, I've gotta stop
> him!!!"
> Even H+ magazine recently spewed out
> http://hplusmagazine.com/2013/**06/17/clearing-up-**
> misconceptions-about-mind-**uploading/<http://hplusmagazine.com/2013/06/17/clearing-up-misconceptions-about-mind-uploading/>
> where the alleged facts were hardly distinguishable from the alleged
> misconceptions. Furthermore an entirely implausible argument was made about
> how easy it will be to "modify" an upload. A moment's thought will see that
> any low level emulation of a mind will be extremely difficult to modify by
> virtue of it's extreme complexity. Furthermore, the types of modifications
> possible will be tightly constrained by the limitations of the software
> running the simulation, where in the physical world they are effectively
> unbounded.
> What part of that vision is supposed to be appealing anyway? Lets say that
> everything this Paul Hughes character said was plausible, even where it's
> logically contradictory. (ie, if the normal state of being is a heavily
> medicated -- er, I mean mediated, self-delusion, then how is that
> compatible with the existence of a simulated star-wars universe where the
> beings would have to be forced to accept their provided perceptions as the
> one true reality in order for them to be at all interested with the problem
> the simulation provides them. Why would you want to sit there and watch all
> the natural wonders of the universe being obliterated by the expansion
> front? That would be a nightmare in itself!
> Here's another good question. Transhumanism seems to have degenerated into
> discussing two things Uploading (not what life will be like after being
> uploaded, but the process of uploading itself and only that) and living
> long enough to be uploaded (cryonics, life extension etc...) Why can't we
> talk about how awesome it will be to be a nano-cyborg and what we need to
> do to push that type of technology forward? =\
> Alex Jones is simply trying to invite more people to discuss this stuff
> because it really is important.
> Natasha Vita-More wrote:
>> Hi everyone!
>> Have you read the recent writings by Alex Jones and his
>> transhumanism-bashing? If so, would you like to be a voice of reason on his
>> ridiculous articles? (And another one which is far-fetched).
>> http://crooksandliars.com/**karoli/maddow-right-wing-**
>> mainstreaming-alex-jones-<http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/maddow-right-wing-mainstreaming-alex-jones->(Rachel Maddow suggests Alex Jones is gaining momentum).
>> http://www.infowars.com/new-**matt-damon-movie-reveals-**
>> mankinds-transhumanist-**destiny/<http://www.infowars.com/new-matt-damon-movie-reveals-mankinds-transhumanist-destiny/>(Alex Jones’ site).
>> http://www.naturalnews.com/**040859_Skynet_quantum_**
>> computing_D-Wave_Systems.html<http://www.naturalnews.com/040859_Skynet_quantum_computing_D-Wave_Systems.html>(by Mike Adams which like reading National Enquirer).
> --
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