[ExI] dopers vs coffee drinkers quale contest, was: RE: Time crystals?

Mike Dougherty msd001 at gmail.com
Wed May 1 17:07:34 UTC 2013

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:17 AM, spike <spike at rainier66.com> wrote:
> Every time I look at this, the wheels seem to be turning to the left, as
> does for my bride and my son.  Does anyone here perceive rotation to the
> right?  If so, you probably immediately figured out why funeral-girl killed
> her sister last week.  (Kidding bygones.)


If you know that there are some who see the alternate rotation you can
look for it.  (you're really looking into / debugging your own mind's
interpretation of your vision)

I think it's easiest to see the other direction when the leg is
pointed either towards or away from you.  It will change direction in
the same way that a necker cube will "pop" in or out depending on
which visual cues you are normally anchored to and which are alternate
for you.

Once you get comfortable with that perception transition, you should
be able to perceive not simply a clockwise or counter-clockwise
pirouette, but a dancer wagging a forward-facing leg left and right.


> Mike now see what you started?

Yeah, here's an audio version:

Is the tone ascending or descending?

> Note to Brent and the qualia hipsters:  this leftward rotation is an
> interesting quale, and evidence of what Gordon has been trying to tell us.
> I can imagine a really humanlike AGI which would look at this and perceive
> no rotation at all, regardless of how hard it tries.  You try to explain to
> it that the wheels appear to turn left and all it can do is look at you in
> puzzlement and make comments such as "You and funeral-girl, stay away from
> me please, you make me nervous."

Making an artificial intelligence capable of "experiencing" the
exploitation of its visual system in order to appreciate the illusion
feels wrong to me.  If the AI has an analog of fear (concern for
immanent damage) then such exploitation might trigger alarms.  This
might explain more simply:
http://www.123opticalillusions.com/opt37.htm   Then again, who knows
what novel experience AI will "enjoy."

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