[ExI] Be nice to leftists

[Samantha Atkins]

On 05/27/2014 02:33 AM, Eugenio Martínez wrote:
>
>     The Chinese would never have suffered the horrors of the 20th
>     century had they the right to own guns.  When the Japanese invaded
>     during the war and killed allll those unarmed people, imagine what
>     would have happened had there been a rifle behind every blade of
>     grass.
>
>
> USA is a country with a absurd number of violent crimes. Years and
> years and years of civilians having guns at homes, years and years and
> years of civilians being killed. Spanish civil war showed what
> happened with armed population during a armed conflict: They joined
> the army that they were in favour... and killed and raped and made a
> lot of revenges and lootering in every small town and every ungoverned
> city.

US crime rate has been declining since the 80s. 
File:Property Crime Rates in the United States.svg

Violent crime rate:



While the US homicide rate is about 4x what it is in Europe it too has
been declining since the early 90s.
Not exactly people getting killed left and right and in their homes and
the streets that some anti-gun folks would portray. 

http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata/#view=all

Averaged out there were around 16,000 homicides per year from
2000-2010.  Of those 66% were committed using a gun.   Thus this mean
everyone should be disallowed to have a gun legally?  I don't think
so.   Of those 16,000, 80% are gang related.    So in a country of 300
million people and 250 million guns that is around 3,000 / year or 1 in
100,000 non-gang related homicides by gun.

>
> I don´t know if it is a question of age or education, but even the
> rightest democrat parties in Europe (Like European Popular Party) are
> against weapons owned by civilians and it is seen as something
> barbaric that americans do. In Europe only the nazis parties and maybe
> a rare couple more are pro-weapons.

The right to life implies the right of self-defense.  I am 60 years
old.  I am zero match for a 20-something out to do me harm if I do not
have some means like a gun to protect myself.  

>
>
>     How any sane person could compare the crimes of Mao Zedong to the
>     "crimes" of manufacturing the goods and services of the modern
>     world is a level intellectual dishonesty and/or muddle-headedness
>     that is simply beyond my comprehension.
>
>
> Capitalism is the way? 16.7 million children living in food insecure
> households and US having the second highest relative child poverty
> rates in the developed world (2011 data. From wikipedia.)

What we have in the US is socialist quite strongly, to be more precise
it is what Mussolini described as fascism as government is highly
involved in all business and the economy.   So blaming it on
"capitalism" is rather disingenuous. 

Also you did not answer the question.  If you compared what exists even
in the somewhat blighted US today to the reign of Mao Zedong that is
unpardonable.    I will not take you seriously after such a remark and
certainly not after you didn't bother to retract it.

- samantha
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