[ExI] Religious Idiocy Triumphs Over Science Yet Again

[Adrian Tymes]

On Dec 11, 2015 12:51 PM, "Michael Butler" <butler.two.one at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 2015 11:31 PM, "Adrian Tymes" <atymes at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The problem is, insights gained under such a state often .... External
measurements show that no such insights were captured
>
> Measure how?

A typical method might involve capturing the insights on video or writing
them down, then have third parties analyze the results vs. what you do in a
similar span of time under the same conditions but not tripping.  Just like
most scientific experiments to measure personal performance under different
conditions.

> If I get a simple insight like "tastes are arbitrary", which sounds banal
if you are listening for banal... but it hits me in the amygdala-cortical
circuits hard enough... I just might come out less judgmental than I used
to be. For real, not in some cortex-only way.

But then the insight isn't "tastes are arbitrary" but "these tastes are
unrelated to the qualities and outcomes you are judging toward, so don't
judge based on those tastes".

> Also, zetetically: what would it take for you to change your mind?
>
> (Yes, that's a double meaning there ;) )

Evidence that I can trust.  Which in this case would probably involve my
own personal observations - as in, ones you can not directly fabricate.
Yes, that means that arguing this point to change my opinion is pretty much
pointless.

The same could apply to your position, except that there is reason to
believe your own memories and experiences here may be less than correct.
Still, it is your choice.
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