[ExI] The list is in the timeline and Religious Idiocy

[William Flynn Wallace]

*Choose your point of view.*

* When you do, choosing one with actual predictive power is power indeed.*



* spikeThe problem here is that empiricism is a hard sell, believe it or
not.  You've seen it in the news re climate change and many others.  When
there is a conflict between religious beliefs and science, science loses.
I've seen it over and over in psych 101 - they are sceptical of any
findings that contradict common sense and other folk lore.  They love
technology and other applications of science, of course, but fail to
generalize the important of hard facts to their opinions.  More than one
study has shown that 101 students basically leave the course the same as
when they were tested at the beginning of the course.  As sad fact - their
brains are only going to be mature years after they leave college and have
forgotten most of what they learned.  bill w  (dunno why some of this is
faded)*

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 7:50 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:

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> *From:* extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] *On
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> ​Each can hold truths  that are false or simply not applicable in any
> other system​.  Rational theological arguments are meaningless in
> empiricism.
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> Right?  Spike?
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> bill w
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> Ja.  I am only claiming to be able to create or synthesize lines of
> reasoning compatible with a certain narrow and closed system of which I am
> very familiar.  I could not create any logical structure which would mean
> anything to Jews, to Catholics, to anything other than that one closed
> self-referential system.  In that one closed system, I understand the
> underlying assumptions and understand why it is immune from objective
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> That system is completely self-consistent and logical under the
> assumptions made by that system.  To disprove that logic structure, one
> must look outside that closed system.
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> From an outside point of view, the whole logic structure makes no sense.
> Inside, it all makes perfect sense.  It is self-referential as all hell,
> but in that system you don’t need to worry about the system being
> self-referential because it is all true.  From outside, it is all false.
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> Choose your point of view.
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> When you do, choosing one with actual predictive power is power indeed.
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