[ExI] RES: More Advanced Extraterrestrials
protokol2020 at gmail.com
Mon Jan 12 21:42:33 UTC 2015
They NEED all the mass/energy, information even, from around them. For the
They need our atoms. All our atoms.
There is nothing like "Prime Directive" in the real world.
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 9:22 PM, BillK <pharos at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 January 2015 at 15:19, Tomaz Kristan wrote:
> > I hear this argument a lot, but I don't think it's a valid one.
> > Yes, you shrink after the big S, but still you have to have some (all)
> > control over the neighbourhood. At the least, you are not going to permit
> > any kind of evolution nearby, which may kill you, eventually.
> > And which will probably be smarter and will NOT ignore everything around.
> > Second, you'll not permit the surrounding free enthalpy to be wasted
> > naturally. In vain.
> > You have no choice, but to expand and colonize inward AND outward.
> Well, let's look at the options.....
> It depends on how much of a speedup is possible. And the speedup will
> be progressive, so the maximum will probably be reached quite quickly.
> They won't ignore the outside world, but if you are thinking thousands
> of times faster you don't need to check very often. And automated
> systems could handle that.
> Another factor is that for these high-speed AIs, manipulating the
> physical universe would be thousands of times slower than manipulating
> virtual reality. The physical universe has frozen for these entities -
> it's boring.
> They will need some energy conversion to survive. But what type of
> energy and how much depends on what they develop with their high speed
> R&D. If they drift through the depths of space they would be
> undetectable. They only need energy for their processing and virtual
> And what are they doing with all this AI processing? Other dimensions?
> Tiny black holes? Who knows what might be possible? And what keeps
> them going when they have so much knowledge and unlimited lifespan?
> Maybe they flash into super-intelligence, investigate everything, then
> expire from lack of purpose, all in a few years of real time. That
> might explain the untouched universe that we see.
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