[ExI] Meta question

[William Flynn Wallace]

So to restate your closing line, "it is sometimes rational from the
genes viewpoint for genes to build brain mechanisms that induce humans
to act irrationally from their individual viewpoints."  Keith

I do think the question of altruistic behavior is settled, at least for
me.  But - I still object  and would rewrite your rewrite:  "....that
induce humans to seem to act irrationally from..........."  bill w

You can make a case that more human mental effort is expended on
rationalizing than on rational thinking.  Keith

Fully agree - the ego, if you will accept that term, largely makes up
reasons after the unconscious makes its choices

If y'all are going to accept 'rational irrationality' I am outa this
discussion.

  bill w





On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Aug 18, 2016, at 1:26 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:
> *From:* extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
> <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org>] *On Behalf Of *Anders Sandberg
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> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:17 PM
> *To:* extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] Meta question
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> On 2016-08-18 17:32, William Flynn Wallace wrote:
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> Given that, we cannot define irrational behavior.  spike
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> Weight in on this Anders - please?
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> Huh? I thought Caplans definition is pretty clear. There is epistemic
> rationality - trying to believe true things - and instrumental rationality
> - trying to choose the most effective means to get one's goals. People can
> fail at these, and then we may say they are irrational…  Ja.
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> BillW, remember the first time you fell crazy in love?  Sure you do.  We
> all remember that time, we remember the best time we fell in love.  Fortune
> are those for whom the first time and the best time was the same event.
>
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> OK now.  In light of that experience… Remember all the stunning illogical
> ways of “thinking” you did, all the silly goofy decisions you made, the
> things you said, oy vey.  My bride holds each of these dear in her memory.
> It worked out well, all of it.  Illogical acts are sometimes perfecly
> logical, certainly from my son’s point of view.
>
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> I feel you're confusing pleasant and fortunate with logical there. ;)
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
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