[ExI] Wise Donald Trump

Fri Jun 3 20:56:41 UTC 2016

Trump is how fascism starts, and don't think the USA is immune from it just
because it has a constitution, Trump will wipe his ass on it and the people
will cheer.
 john clark

Look at Europe, sinking into far right wing ideas.  Does anybody dispute
that this is resulting from the immigration of war refugees?  Or the
increasing population of Muslims?  For 'Muslims' you could just write
'people not like us'.

And here we are in the good ol USA reacting to the same situation, though
we are not flooded with refugees.  (We could take a lot more than we do.)

What is behind all of this?  Fear.  Fear of lost jobs, fear of lost
religion and religious principles, fear of different religions and races -
basically fear that we will never see the 50s again.

Putting up walls, stopping immigration, and more - these are far out
solutions but they make people fear less.  That, to me, is the Trump base.
The base do not care about his ravings - fear reduction is enough.  That
even if elected his ideas are very likely not to be implemented is
irrelevant.  People want to feel better NOW.

Thoughts?

bill w

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:28 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:54 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:
>
>> … Since when is that more horrible than torture for fun?
>>
>> > These are your words John.
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>> >…No Spike these are Donald Trump's words not mine:
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>> I didn’t see anything in there about fun.  Did you?
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> Y
> es I did. After bragging about the new innovative tortures he would dream
> up that we haven't used yet to get information he says "
>  
> And if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us”.
>  If it doesn't work, if you learn nothing from the torture because the
> person just doesn't know the information that you want then the only reason
> to torture is for fun.
>
> Spike, with a monster like that about to become the most powerful man in
> the world why the hell are we still talking about a bunch of stupid Emails?
> 
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>>> >
>>> …Just yesterday I said that if Trump becomes president he will put
>>> people in jail for saying things about him he doesn't like. Some thought I
>>> was overstating my case but today after Hillary gave a speech highlighting
>>> Trump's ignorant  imbecilic and above all dangerous national security
>>> policy Trump said this:
>>
>> *"And remember I said I was a counter-puncher? I am. After what she said
>> about me today and her phony speech. That was a phony speech. That was a
>> Donald Trump hit job. I will say this. Hillary Clinton has to go to jail.
>> She has to go to jail."*
>>
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> > 
>> Doesn’t it make you want to hug your Constitution?
>
>
> Yes the Constitution is nice but remember it's just a piece of paper, a
> very nice piece of paper but paper nevertheless. The Constitution is only
> as good as the person who enforces it (the President)  and the people who
> interpret it (The Supreme Court appointed by the President). I've been
> making the case that Hillary did nothing illegal but if Trump wins I
> predict she will indeed end up in prison but she won't be alone, hundreds
> of Trump's political opponents will get rounded up too. Trump is how
> fascism starts, and don't think the USA is immune from it just because it
> has a constitution, Trump will wipe his ass on it and the people will
> cheer.
>
>
>
> >…OK, you're right, there was a subpoena. It asked for all documents
>>> related to Benghazi and or Libya for 2011 and 2012 and she did so…
>>
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>> > 
>> How do we know that?
>>
>>
> We can't. If you demand I turn over to you all the documents I have on
> subject X and I give you a cubic mile of paper I can't prove that I didn't
> leave one sheet out. So do I go to jail?
>
>
>
>> > 
>> When Mrs. Clinton arranged to have her own server
>>  [...]
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> Just like what 5 previous secretaries of  state did.
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>> When people destroy evidence, they appear guilty.
>>
>
> Not when you can't explain evidence or what, not when you can't even
> explain exactly what they're supposed to be guilty of. 
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>> > 
>> perhaps arranged to arm Syrian rebels, perhaps in exchange for anonymous
>> donations to a charity,
>>
>>
> Perhaps, and maybe she conspired with martians to invade the Earth but
> you have zero evidence of that, and zero evidence those Emails were about
> anything immoral, much less illegal, much less TREASONABLE. And with Donald
> Trump wanting to torture people for fun, and threatening to throw his
> political opponents in prison once he gains power, and encouraging Germany,
> South Korea, Japan and *Saudi Arabia* and who knows who else get nuclear
> bombs WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT EMAILS?
>
>  John K Clark
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