[ExI] bees again

Sun Mar 20 18:19:01 UTC 2016

> Go to the extreme - buy organic foods.

Some Germans did just that, a few years ago. Then the e-coli took several
of them. At first they've tried to put the blame on Spanish cucumbers and
tomatoes. Which are grown so non-organically there.

But it were some domestic shit, they grew organically in Hamburg.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 6:54 PM, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ja!  Our current USA system of bifurcated right/left politics makes for
> some odd bedfellows indeed.  I am surprised that conservatives and
> conservation do not seem to go together all that much.  The natural-is-good
> crowd if anything seem to lean left as a group.  That seems so paradoxical
> to me.  Clearly this whole salad needs to be tossed and remixed.  This is
> the year to do it.
>
> -------------------
>
> I do not know if I am a radical or not.  But I do seriously wonder why the
> research that is so sorely needed before we put chemicals on crops or
> anything else that goes into foods is not done.  Oh I know why - politics,
> payoffs, money under the table, corruption at every level.
>
> The same goes for the FDA - why do we see so many recalls of drugs, so
> many lawyers advertising to file lawsuits against drug makers?  Not enough
> research.
>
> Go to the extreme - buy organic foods. Something an individual can do, as
> opposed to doing our own  drug research. (actually I am doing my own drug
> research by taking the the doctor orders and actin g as a guinea pig)
>
> Google for foreign workers who tend crops dying of cancer.  Look at
> regulations allowing foreign food to be imported here with chemicals on
> them that are NOT allowed on our own farms.
>
> I don't think environmentalists of any stripe need to be the only ones to
> answer John's questions: the whole world has not stepped up and supported
> whatever it takes to deal with these fatal diseases and the conditions that
> cause them and the research needed to combat them.
>
> The rift between rich and poor, individuals and nations, is getting worse,
> as everybody knows, and that will cause much trouble in the years to come.
>
> We volunteer, we do foreign aid, we support the Red Cross, etc. etc. and
> still the numbers that John quotes are still happening.  A lot of what we
> give overseas is skimmed at the highest levels - or just totally taken
> over.  Or we give tractors with no parts and no mechanics to fix them or
> money for gas.  As Spike says, this whole salad needs to be tossed too.
>
> So - it's just not enough.  And I have no answers to how to get people to
> sell their yachts and 20 million dollar houses, or even just to give a bit
> each month for world hunger, etc.  The South donates a lot of money to
> churches, which for the most part goes to building more churches.
> Salvation Army a big exception - those people are serious about their
> charity.
>
> bill w
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:59 AM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016  William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> > 
>>> I am an environmentalist, and you should not automatically believe that
>>> I am for every single thing the radical environmentalists do.
>>> I am for GMO, for example.  YES to golden rice!
>>>
>>
>> Good, but then you are not an average middle of the road
>> environmentalist, you are a radical environmentalist and I guess I am too.
>>  
>>
>>
>>> > 
>>> Calling every environmentalist an ecofreak is not good thinking.  It's
>>> stereotyping
>>>
>>
>> Yes
>> ,
>>  but you almost make it sound like
>>  
>> stereotyping
>>  
>> is a bad thing. Who caused millions of people to die unnecessarily from
>> malaria?
>> Average
>> middle of the road environmentalists
>>  ,
>>  aka ecofreaks. Who caused millions of children to go blind?  Average
>> m
>> iddle of the road environmentalists
>> . Who killed nuclear energy even though it has a better safety record
>> than any other energy source and produced no greenhouse gasses? Average
>> m
>> iddle of the road environmentalists
>> .
>>
>> > 
>>> Let's keep it rational
>>
>>
>> If you want a rational conversation then
>> environmentalists
>>  are not the ones to talk to.
>> Calling every environmentalist a ecofreak
>> would not be
>>  strictly true, but it
>>  wouldn't be a
>> bad first approximation of the truth.  The environmental movement that
>> started off so well has been hijacked by nuts who think with their gut and
>> not their brain.
>>
>>  John K Clark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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