[ExI] Study Links Disparities in Pain Management to Racial Bias
William Flynn Wallace
foozler83 at gmail.com
Sun May 8 16:24:41 UTC 2016
People may need a "new story" but it is not up to anyone else to weave one
for them. That is their own job. I have had the experience of trying to
do the weaving for another person. Then they get really upset because they
fill like you are "trying to cram it down their throats" or seeking to
reach in and reprogram their brain. samantha
It is not the job of anyone, in psychology at least - and psychiatry - to
weave a new story for a person. But it is the job of them to point out the
inconsistencies in that person's life and thinking. This is called
cognitive behavior therapy, and it works as well as anything has that
clinicians have put out - ever.
Case in point: my yardman took 30 minutes to mulch a small bed, a job I
could have done in 7 minutes. He was pulling out single stems of grass as
he went that the mulch would have smothered. It turns out that he has
been fired numerous times for doing a job his way and not the way his
manager wanted it done. He is a perfectionist and is very rigid. He just
refuses to do what I tell him and does what he thinks is best, including
jobs I did not give him but that he thought needed doing. I am going to
try to send him to counseling. His rigidity has cost him jobs, meaning a
lot of money, and will cost him my jobs if he doesn't change. He is
supported by his wife and currently has no job. I will not 'cram anything
down his throat', but I do expect a yardman to do what I tell him to do as
long as I am paying for it. Why doesn't he see this for himself? Good
question. It's called a personality disorder, meaning a rigid type of
thinking (of several types) and it's hard to deal with as people don't know
these disorders well. They have little insight into their condition.
Generally people don't recognize personality disorders as being a mental
disease. They think of neurotics and psychotics and psychopaths.
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/06/2016 02:52 PM, William Flynn Wallace wrote:
> Studies have shown many times that just presenting people with facts
>> will rarely cause them to change previously held beliefs. It might
>> even strengthen the wrong belief. It's called the Backfire effect.
>> There are several factors involved. People don't like to be told that
>> they are wrong as they 'lose face' and don't want lower status. When a
>> belief is wrong, people need help to build a new story in their brain
>> to store the new facts.
> Why do they "need help"? Perhaps it is "good old days" fallacy but it
> seems to me that people have more fragile egos now than they used to.
> Actually it is not that the egos seem more fragile but there is more belief
> that ego fragility is to be coddled instead of telling the person to
> embrace the rational approach and get over their mere feelings enough to
> admit the new evidence. It used to be more the norm that bringing up
> feelings in an intellectual conversation was frowned upon.
> Is it just me or as the world changed where we want to be real careful not
> to upset anyone's pre-existing prejudice?
> Extropians in particular held to pancritical rationalism - question
> everything and take no feeling prisoners.
> People may need a "new story" but it is not up to anyone else to weave one
> for them. That is their own job. I have had the experience of trying to
> do the weaving for another person. Then they get really upset because they
> fill like you are "trying to cram it down their throats" or seeking to
> reach in and reprogram their brain.
> You can lead a horse to water..
> - samantha
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