[ExI] Last political post for a while (I hope)
Giulio Prisco
giulio at gmail.com
Wed Nov 16 05:56:58 UTC 2016
Perhaps the election didn't "end the reign of PC," but it certainly dealt a
mighty blow to PC, and we are starting to see examples:
NYU brings back professor who blasted PC culture, gives him a raise
<http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/14/nyu-brings-back-professor-who-blasted-pc-culture-gives-him-raise.html>
(see also:
http://nypost.com/2016/11/14/nyu-strikes-a-blow-for-diversity-of-thought/
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/nyu-brings-back-deplorable-professor-awards-him-a-raise/
)
I guess PC run amok will be at least reduced. But that came at a quite
expensive price.
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 7:47 AM, david roman <aussiesta at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I couldn't agree more. If Trump ends the reign of political correctness,
> even if he turns out to be a disaster in every other sense (which is
> entirely possible), he will have made humanity a favor. Slavoj Zizek
> largely agrees too, from his particular Zizekian-Marxist POV:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bixgOtkLao&list=
> PL52uJ5PwDvHvpdAtkCvNJPfPD-E94Iik6&index=49
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bixgOtkLao&list=PL52uJ5PwDvHvpdAtkCvNJPfPD-E94Iik6&index=49>
> Slavoj Žižek: How Political Correctness Actually Elected ...
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bixgOtkLao&list=PL52uJ5PwDvHvpdAtkCvNJPfPD-E94Iik6&index=49>
> www.youtube.com
> Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Žižek thinks the U.S. political machinery is
> truly broken. He guides a verbal tour through the failure of manufactured
> consent, the ...
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *De:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> en nombre de
> extropy-chat-request at lists.extropy.org <extropy-chat-request at lists.
> extropy.org>
> *Enviado:* sábado, 12 de noviembre de 2016 20:48
> *Para:* extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> *Asunto:* extropy-chat Digest, Vol 158, Issue 17
>
> Send extropy-chat mailing list submissions to
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
> extropy-chat Info Page
> <http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat>
> lists.extropy.org
> The longest running transhumanist email list in the world. Now entering
> its second decade, the Extropy-Chat (formerly "Extropians") Email List is
> open to ExI members ...
>
>
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> extropy-chat-request at lists.extropy.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> extropy-chat-owner at lists.extropy.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of extropy-chat digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: The very first question the press should ask Trump
> (Dan TheBookMan)
> 2. Re: The very first question the press should ask Trump
> (John Clark)
> 3. Re: The very first question the press should ask Trump
> (Adrian Tymes)
> 4. Re: The very first question the press should ask Trump
> (William Flynn Wallace)
> 5. Re: The very first question the press should ask Trump
> (Darin Sunley)
> 6. what the commies are saying (spike)
> 7. the joy of now, was: RE: The very first question ... (spike)
> 8. Last political post for a while (I hope) (Giulio Prisco)
> 9. Re: ok, so prove it (Rafal Smigrodzki)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 16:29:35 -0800
> From: Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com>
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] The very first question the press should ask Trump
> Message-ID: <FBB112D7-E7EF-412D-BDE0-C665260AEE8D at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Nov 11, 2016, at 3:51 PM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:
> > I do!
> >
> > Oh wait, you meant? that guy they say won, OK.
> >
> > Let?s see, that one, 2020 contest. Mike Pence and Jenna Bush vs.
> Michelle Obama and Chelsea Clinton?
> >
> > Oh we can do so much better than this crowd. What happened to that guy
> they had, Senator Jim Webb? He seemed so honest and sane, a decorated
> veteran with two purple hearts, I am astonished he didn?t walk away with
> the nomination with change left over. Anyone who has been in combat will
> not be eager to send anyone else?s sons there.
>
> Spike, four years ago you might have made a reasonable guess Hillary
> Clinton would run and win her party's nomination, but would you have
> guessed Trump would run and win the GOP nomination? If not, then do you
> think you have a reasonable guess if who will be the Democratic Party's
> nominee in 02020? I don't. (Of course, they could be stupid like the GOP --
> lining up McCain back in 02008 and Dole back in 01996: weak candidates who
> seemed to earn being on the ticket by simple seniority rather than broad
> appeal.;) I think, though, it's likely not to be another Clinton or another
> Obama.
>
> I believe this campaign kind of was a rejection of the House of Clinton.
> Meaning? Democrats won't give them another chance. It's likely also a
> rejection of the House of Bush. Recall how Jeb was predicted an early
> favorite in 02015, then his campaign evaporated faster then a mini-black
> hole. Why think future elections will merely be rehashing the same small
> cast of characters? (This isn't to say much changes: shitty policy mixes,
> but with new, more often unrelated* faces.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
> Sample my Kindle books via:
> http://author.to/DanUst
> Amazon.com: Books <http://author.to/DanUst>
> author.to
> Online shopping from a great selection at Books Store.
>
>
>
> * I don't mean complete outsiders, but who were the Clintons in 01990? I
> was perhaps too young to notice, but had you known about them back then?
> Anyone else here know of them in 01990?
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/
> attachments/20161111/fdb650e3/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:43:01 -0500
> From: John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com>
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] The very first question the press should ask Trump
> Message-ID:
> <CAJPayv00TuZKMVbmrb4asg3fiw_otzoNp0ONrekd7xrVDiEs8w at mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com>
>
> ?> ?
> > do you think you have a reasonable guess if who will be the Democratic
> > Party's nominee in 02020?
>
>
> ?The question isn't who will be the Democratic Party's nominee in 2020, I
> want to know if Trump will allow the Democratic Party to even have a
> nominee in 2020. It is not at all obvious to me that he will. And that goes
> for the Libertarian Party and Green Party too.
>
> John K Clark
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/
> attachments/20161111/7929b0c8/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 17:52:09 -0800
> From: Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com>
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] The very first question the press should ask Trump
> Message-ID:
> <CALAdGNR+eDjUWSmGNavASogWnEr8821Cu1tJy23wG6yXu3=p=
> w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Nov 11, 2016 5:44 PM, "John Clark" <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> > ?The question isn't who will be the Democratic Party's nominee in 2020, I
> want to know if Trump will allow the Democratic Party to even have a
> nominee in 2020. It is not at all obvious to me that he will. And that goes
> for the Libertarian Party and Green Party too.
>
> There is such a psychological block about voting third party that, even if
> the GOP were to jail the Dems, I could see them allowing the Libs and the
> Greens to give the illusion of democracy.
>
> But I suspect Trump knows he needs the Dems, to save him from the worst of
> the GOP for being less than they hoped for. He has already had a civil
> conversation with Obama, which has sent some of them howling in protest for
> Trump's head.
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/
> attachments/20161111/daaeab75/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 20:12:44 -0600
> From: William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] The very first question the press should ask Trump
> Message-ID:
> <CAO+xQEbgW6LOv=TqZicArz_uxiZCt8oULkxcvP7Ox+Z1emd15w@
> mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Is this the group that used to discuss transhumanism, libertarianism,
> extropy?
>
> Just burned out, are you? It seems that side issues are taking over the
> chats. Politics can certain be related to the issues above, but we are not
> doing that, are we? If we are it's too subtle for me.
>
> bill w
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 11, 2016 5:44 PM, "John Clark" <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > ?The question isn't who will be the Democratic Party's nominee in 2020,
> > I want to know if Trump will allow the Democratic Party to even have a
> > nominee in 2020. It is not at all obvious to me that he will. And that
> goes
> > for the Libertarian Party and Green Party too.
> >
> > There is such a psychological block about voting third party that, even
> if
> > the GOP were to jail the Dems, I could see them allowing the Libs and the
> > Greens to give the illusion of democracy.
> >
> > But I suspect Trump knows he needs the Dems, to save him from the worst
> of
> > the GOP for being less than they hoped for. He has already had a civil
> > conversation with Obama, which has sent some of them howling in protest
> for
> > Trump's head.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > extropy-chat mailing list
> > extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> > http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
> extropy-chat Info Page
> <http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat>
> lists.extropy.org
> The longest running transhumanist email list in the world. Now entering
> its second decade, the Extropy-Chat (formerly "Extropians") Email List is
> open to ExI members ...
>
>
> >
> >
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/
> attachments/20161111/2cf8deff/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:32:57 -0700
> From: Darin Sunley <dsunley at gmail.com>
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] The very first question the press should ask Trump
> Message-ID:
> <CAEptUkT3XJidmBJPWoEuBC9J7a691SCzhR9ja_UUrX4Djq+Nog at mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> When I watch or read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, I always listen very
> closely to the "Wave" speech. If you're familiar with the work, you know
> what I'm talking about. It's a poignant meditation by a man who had devoted
> his entire identity to a movement, a movement that was going to change the
> world, and then watched it all fade away.
>
> When I think back to the Extropian and transhumanism movements as they were
> in the 90's, when I joined this list, and think about what's happened since
> then, It almost fills me with joy.
>
> Because we won! Mostly anyways. The weirdo out-there ideas we used to throw
> around are now pretty much most people's every day. Millions of people
> today used voice recognition on the pocket computers they carry everywhere
> to ask a huge network of data centers to query terabyte databases to tell
> them where would be a good place to go to lunch. Said database company,
> btw, just made an AI that plays Go better than any human. Cryptocurrency is
> a significant concern to the financial elites of the world. Billionarire
> entreprenuers [who incidentally are pursuing reasonably credible plans to
> singlehandedly colonize Mars] speak casually of the world being a computer
> simulation, and not only do their stock prices not crash, it makes no
> ripple at all! People just say "Yep, may be."
>
> Ok, so diamond-phase nanotechnology could be a bit further ahead, and true
> morphological freedom (as opposed to extremely effective medical protheses)
> may not be on most people's ethical radars yet, but we're definitely
> getting there.
>
> I was the techy weirdo because, in 2001, I was the only person in the
> building with cellular internet in 1999. Now I'm the weirdo because I'm
> almost the only person in my workplace's building /without/ a smartphone.
>
> Transhumanism and Extropianism didn't fade away, or burn out. They turned
> into everyone's background normal. The future we saw has begun to arrive,
> and it is still coming.
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:12 PM, William Flynn Wallace <
> foozler83 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is this the group that used to discuss transhumanism, libertarianism,
> > extropy?
> >
> > Just burned out, are you? It seems that side issues are taking over the
> > chats. Politics can certain be related to the issues above, but we are
> not
> > doing that, are we? If we are it's too subtle for me.
> >
> > bill w
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Nov 11, 2016 5:44 PM, "John Clark" <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > ?The question isn't who will be the Democratic Party's nominee in
> 2020,
> >> I want to know if Trump will allow the Democratic Party to even have a
> >> nominee in 2020. It is not at all obvious to me that he will. And that
> goes
> >> for the Libertarian Party and Green Party too.
> >>
> >> There is such a psychological block about voting third party that, even
> >> if the GOP were to jail the Dems, I could see them allowing the Libs and
> >> the Greens to give the illusion of democracy.
> >>
> >> But I suspect Trump knows he needs the Dems, to save him from the worst
> >> of the GOP for being less than they hoped for. He has already had a
> civil
> >> conversation with Obama, which has sent some of them howling in protest
> for
> >> Trump's head.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> extropy-chat mailing list
> >> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> >> http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
> extropy-chat Info Page
> <http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat>
> lists.extropy.org
> The longest running transhumanist email list in the world. Now entering
> its second decade, the Extropy-Chat (formerly "Extropians") Email List is
> open to ExI members ...
>
>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > extropy-chat mailing list
> > extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> > http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
> >
> >
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/
> attachments/20161111/300300e6/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 18:38:16 -0800
> From: "spike" <spike66 at att.net>
> To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: [ExI] what the commies are saying
> Message-ID: <023e01d23c8d$d2d73460$78859d20$@att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r"
>
> Sometimes it helps to get a foreign perspective when one's own press is all
> over the map. Here's what the Russians are saying:
>
>
>
> ?????? ??????????????: ????? ?? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ??????
>
> ?????????? 959 ???????????? 1 ???????? 6
>
>
>
> ????? ????? ???????? ???????????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? -
> ??????
> ????????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ????? ????????? ?????????????
> ??????????? ????????? ??????????? ?????? ???.
>
>
>
> "??? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????, ?? ? ??????????????
> ?? ????????? ??????? - ??? ??????? ? ????????????? ? ???????? ????? ?
> ????????? ?????? ??? ????????????? ?? ?????? ? ????? ????, ?? ? ??
> ????????????? ?????", - ??????? ???? ?? ??????? ??????????????? ??????.
>
> "?????? ????? - ???????? ?????? ?? ????????? ??????, ?????????? ???????? ??
> ???? ??????? ?? ????????? ??????, ? ????????? ?? ???????????? ???????.
> ?????
> ???????????? ???? ? ??????? ?????????? ?? ??????? ? ?? ????????? ?.???????
> ?????? ?????? ????????. ????? ???????? ??? ??????????? ????? ????????", -
> ????????? ???????.
>
>
>
> "?????????? ???? ?????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????? ??????? ?????. ??? ????
> ?????? ??????? ?? ??????? ???? ??????? ?????. ?? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ?
> ???, ??? ?????? ????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????, ? ?? ?????? ???????",,-
> ???????????? ?????????.
>
>
>
> ?? ?????? ??????????? ???????, "????? ????? ?????????? ???????? ???, ???
> ???? ?????? ????????? ????? ?? ??????? ??????????". ??? ?????????, ??????,
> ??? ??????? "???? ?????????" ? ????? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????.
>
>
>
> "???????? ???????????? ????????????? ??????, ????????????? ??????????
> ??????????????, ??????????????, ??????????? ??????? ? ??? ?????? ??????
> ??????, ????? - ????????? ??? ? ????? ??????????? ? ????????? ?????
> ??????",
> - ??????? ??.
>
>
>
> ????? ???????????? ????? ????????? ????? ???????? ??? ??????????? ?????????
> ? ????? ? ??????? ??????, ?? ?????? ?? "????????? ??????? ???
> ?????????????".
>
> "?????? - ??? ???????????-?????????????? ?????????-???????????? ?????????
> ?????? ????? ? ?????????????. ?????? - ?????, ??? ??????????? ????????
> ????????, ????? ????? ?????? ????????? ???? ?? ?????????? ?????? ????????
> ????????, ???????? ??????????, ??????? ?????????", - ??????? ??.
>
>
>
> "? ????????? ???? ??????????? ????????? ?? ??????????? ????????????
> ???????,
> ??????, ??? "???????????? ????", ??????? ????? ?????????? ???????
> ?????????,
> ????????? ?? ??????????",- ????????? ?????? ???????????? ?????????????????
> ??????????????.
>
>
>
> "????? ????? ?????????????, ????????????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????? ???.
> ?
> ???????? ??????????? ?? ?????? ??????????, ??? ??????????? ??????, ??????,
> ???????????? ????????????? ???????, ???????? ????????????, ??????????
> ??????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????, ??? ????? ??????????????,
> ?????????,
> ????????? "??????? ?????????", - ????????? ??.
>
>
>
> "????? ??? ??????????? ?? 100% ????? ????????. ??? ?????? ?????? - ?????,
> ???????????? ????? ???????? ? ????????? ? ????????? ??????????????
> ?????????",- ??????? ???????????? ?????.
>
>
>
> ????????, ??? ??????? ????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ? ?????????
> ?????????? ? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???. ???
> ????????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????????? 70-??????? ???????????, ???????
> ????
> ????????? ? ????????? ??? ? ???????.
>
>
>
>
>
> This perspective didn't help a bit. I just don't know what to think of
> this
> commentary. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I don't
> understand a single word of Russian.
>
>
>
> The English translation makes a lot more sense however:
>
>
>
> Should Russia rejoice at Donald Trump's victory?
>
> 09.11.2016
>
>
>
> The head of the Civil Society Development Fund, Konstantin Kostin, is
> certain that the victory of presidential candidate Donald Trump has
> demonstrated people's disappointment in the old American elite.
>
>
>
> "No one was expecting Trump to win. They did not expect the Republicans to
> take the majority at the Senate elections. This speaks of people's
> disappointment in Obama's policies. The American people have shown that
> they
> do not want to see Democrats either in the White House or on Capitol Hill,"
> one of Russia's leading political strategists said.
>
> "The Americans were ready to accept Obama's tax increases. At the same
> time,
> many people had to cut their living standards. Yet, no one wants to give
> the
> money to the lazy instead of the poor," the analyst believes.
>
>
>
> According to Konstantin Kostin, "Trump will defend US interests, while
> reducing the budget spending on the export of democracy."
>
>
>
> "Let's wait for the formation of the Trump administration. It is hard for
> me
> to understand the Russian MPs, who applauded to the news about Trump's
> election. Trump is the US President, and he will act in the interests of
> his
> country first and foremost," the analyst said.
>
> Donald Trump's victory is not a perfect occasion for applause on Russia's
> part, yet, Russia has two reasons for restrained optimism, Mr. Kostin
> believes.
>
>
>
> "First off, US-Russian relations have always been better and more
> predictable during the times of Republican presidents. Secondly, Trump, as
> an adherent of realpolitik, will certainly be against the USA's mission of
> the global hegemon, exporter of democracy and color revolutions," he
> explained. "Trump is most unusual and anti-system candidate in modern US
> history. The support that Trump has received means that most Americans are
> a
> lot more interested in their own income, taxes and safety than in the
> rights
> of sexual minorities, migrants and issues associated with color
> revolutions.
>
>
>
>
> "Trump has taken a complete advantage of this in his campaign. His winning
> recipe contains such ingredients as bright and extraordinary style in
> conjunction with absolutely conservative rhetoric," Konstantin Kostin
> said.
>
>
>
> Politonline
>
>
>
> - See more at:
> http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/politics/09-11-2016/
> 136111-russia_donald_
> trump_wins-0/#sthash.ndBuskdM.dpuf
>
>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/
> attachments/20161111/b576085e/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:44:17 -0800
> From: "spike" <spike66 at att.net>
> To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: [ExI] the joy of now, was: RE: The very first question ...
> Message-ID: <028201d23c97$0bd62ec0$23828c40$@att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>
>
>
> From: extropy-chat [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
> <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org>] On Behalf Of Darin Sunley
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 6:33 PM
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] The very first question the press should ask Trump
>
>
>
> >?When I think back to the Extropian and transhumanism movements as they
> were in the 90's, when I joined this list, and think about what's happened
> since then, It almost fills me with joy?
>
>
>
> Thanks for this Darin. With me it isn?t almost. I am filled with joy
> when I ponder where our heads were in the 1990s and compare. Back in those
> days, about 1994 when the internet was really starting up, when I started
> reading (but not yet posting to) Extropians, what kinds of things I was
> thinking. I didn?t allow myself to believe the wilder things, fearing
> disappointment should it fail to appear. Other areas I so underestimated,
> I am delighted completely. For instance:
>
>
>
> We talked a lot about some form of flying cars. I know how to do the
> calcs on that, so I knew that no matter what, we were not going up, not on
> a daily individual basis. No flying cars: inherent limitations in vertical
> take-off will always be with us, regardless of material advances. So I
> knew that was going to be a no-show. Check. What I didn?t foresee was the
> stunning development of other technologies that would make high speed
> transportation less relevant now than it was 20 yrs ago.
>
>
>
> We talked a lot about transparency. Watching how one of our own took hold
> of this and created WikiLeaks has been a constant delight. Watching its
> impact on government, astonishing, exhilarating.
>
>
>
> We talked about advances in computing power. That Moore?s Law continued
> as long as it did right up to near the atomic limit blows my mind.
>
>
>
> We talked about future astronomy instruments, but back then I never would
> have dreamed we would build LIGO and have it find something immediately.
> That one thing is a perfect example of something I just would not have
> believed, even if a deep booming voice had come from a clear sky, the kind
> of deep booming voice you just know doesn?t lie, telling me an instrument
> would be built and would find gravity waves. I would have found the
> nearest bullhorn and pointed it back skyward and shouted NOOOOO WAAAAAY?
> But it happened.
>
>
>
> The real-money ideas futures: I just won a pile on this latest election.
> It helps to remind oneself that betting is on what you believe is going to
> happen, not what you want to happen. I did. I won.
>
>
>
> Brain prosthesis: well wait now, think about it. We didn?t get an
> implantable device, but what we did get is in some ways better: these nifty
> little smart phones with internet and OK Google is pretty close to a brain
> prosthetic. I would argue it is better in a way. Suppose some yahoo
> invented a device you could surgically implant in your brain to get 20
> additional IQ points. Would I do it? Probably not. Why? It would hafta
> be risky and expensive. Brain surgery just isn?t going to be cheap and it
> isn?t going to be without major risks, no way. At this point I might envy
> those who received one, but probably wouldn?t do it myself. But I take my
> phone everywhere, and I use OK Google a lot.
>
>
>
> I took the cub scouts and joined a Veterans Day parade in San Jose today.
> I used OK Google about a dozen times while I was out. Cell phones are
> cheap and pose no risk at all. I would argue this is a form of brain
> prosthetic that turned out better than 90s visions.
>
>
>
> That the internet would become as effective a means of education for all
> has exceeded my grandest vision. Now we all carry the world?s libraries in
> our pockets.
>
>
>
> There is grandeur in this view of life.
>
>
>
> spike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/
> attachments/20161111/30670b7e/attachment-0001.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 09:20:04 +0100
> From: Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com>
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: [ExI] Last political post for a while (I hope)
> Message-ID:
> <CAKTCJyfTVTXNV6DVc19w0yXnBib4EKcif9-F3WcRW=kVr2dFRg at mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Last political post for a while (I hope)
> https://giulioprisco.com/last-political-post-for-a-while-i-
> hope-cce8a82d9103
>
> I warned that the excesses of the Politically Correct (PC) ?Social
> Justice Warriors? (SJWs) would push lots of reasonable people to
> Donald???now President-elect???Trump. It appears I was right. I was
> not only right: I was spectacularly right...
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 07:47:51 -0500
> From: Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com>
> Cc: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] ok, so prove it
> Message-ID:
> <CAAc1gFjSd-r4v3X9vMd56E8rYzdgTE_itifaVrfoKP-HbpWAWA at mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I know it because I can think and derive this from first principles.
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:37 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Rafal Smigrodzki <
> > rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?> ?
> >> ### Of course, the elections were rigged up the wazoo, and she knows it
> -
> >> her boys did the rigging.
> >>
> >
> > ?And you know this because you don't read newspapers but you do
> > read Breitbart and Fox News. And Breitbart and Fox News always tell the
> > truth.
> >
> > John K Clark
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rafal Smigrodzki, MD-PhD
> Senior Scientist,
> Gencia Corporation
> 706 B Forest St.
>
> Charlottesville, VA 22903
>
> tel: (434) 295-4800
>
> fax: (434) 295-4951
>
>
>
> This electronic message transmission contains information from the
> biotechnology firm of Gencia Corporation which may be confidential or
> privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual
> or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that
> any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic
> transmission in error, please notify us by telephone (434-295-4800) or by
> electronic mail (fportell at genciabiotech.com) immediately.
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/
> attachments/20161112/796a0c9f/attachment.html>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
> _______________________________________________
> extropy-chat mailing list
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of extropy-chat Digest, Vol 158, Issue 17
> *********************************************
>
> _______________________________________________
> extropy-chat mailing list
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20161116/b39cb5c4/attachment.html>
More information about the extropy-chat
mailing list