[ExI] alpha zero

Darin Sunley dsunley at gmail.com
Thu Dec 7 17:40:21 UTC 2017


Twenty years after the heyday of the peace movement in the 1960's, we were
in the middle of the 80's - Cash was King and Greed was Good. The entire
movement, right down to it's most basic ethical foundations, disappeared
without a trace.

And now here I am, on a mailing list 20 years after what was arguably the
heyday of the Extropian/Transhuman movement of the late 90's, reading a
article about an AI that learned to play chess at superhuman levels given
only a description of the rules at 24 hours of runtime.

That's the opposite of what happened to the hippies.

It's weird to watch the wildest speculatory dreams of a fringe movement
become true in realtime.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:32 AM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:42 AM, spike <spike66 at att.net> wrote:
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>> ​> ​
>> They played Stockfish, which is a very highly respected program with a
>> lotta lotta programmed-in chess wisdom.
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> ​And out of 100 games when playing white ​
> against Stockfish AlphaGo won 25 games, and when playing black it won 3
> games, ​
> AlphaGo
> ​ lost no games, the remaining 72 games were ties.  And it learned how to
> do this in less than a day. By the way, from these results i
> t looks like having the first move i
> ​s​
> a inherent advantage
> ​ in Chess.​
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>> I still haven’t convinced myself it is true.
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> ​If this is a hoax it's a very elaborate one the likes of which we
> haven't seen since the cold fusion fiasco. ​
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> ​And the hoax would involve a huge company like Google and that doesn't
> seem very likely.​
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> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.01815v1.pdf
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> ​John K Clark ​
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>> To figure out all that in a day requires some powerful inference
>> activity.  John I am putting myself in the camp of hope it’s true, but
>> estimate 70% chance it isn’t.  I don’t know how the hell they did this if
>> true.
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>> >…​ And if you ever hear that it's starting to treat optimizing computer
>> code as a game then you may be hearing the opening notes of the
>> Singularity. This is big…John K Clark
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>> Sure and is there any reason why we shouldn’t treat code optimization as
>> a game?  It is a clearly-definable goal: we can set the task to give a
>> known outcome, give it a time to beat and a memory allocation to beat, may
>> the best machine win.  It’s one of those new sports I have been yakking
>> about for years, a great example of geek Olympics.
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>> I want robot gymnastics too.  Whooda thunk that would just appear like it
>> has?
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>> http://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2017/11/17/atlas-boston-
>> dynamics-robot-backflip-cnntech.cnnmoney
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>> We could have a code-athlon, where the game is to write the best and most
>> efficient code, then let computers play against each other and against
>> humans.
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>> spike
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