[ExI] AI poker

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Wed Jan 25 18:05:10 UTC 2017


I don't get it. Poker is all about probability, and computers are unmatched
at tracking cards played and calculating probabilities. Deciding whether to
hold 'em or fold 'em is a simple matter of calculating the probabilities.
Yawn.

-Dave

*All true, but in casinos counting cards is forbidden.  If, say, a 21
player is suspected of counting cards they just start a new deck (and they
are already using more than one). Counting would give an AI too much
advantage.*

*Then there's bluffing.  I am certainly no top player, but a player who
never bluffs will be a loser, I think.  An AI who used only counting and
odds will be confused by a bluffer.  Another unfair advantage for the AI is
that human players often can use 'tells', some habit or tic by an opponent
that tells what they have.  No AI will show a tell, of course.  *

*Take all the psychology out of it and sure, you have an AI that won't lose
in the long run.  Put it in, and who knows?*

​bill w​

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com> wrote:

> From http://gizmodo.com/why-it-matters-that-human-poker-pros-
> are-getting-trounc-1791565551
>
> *Limit Texas Hold’em was “solved” by AI back in 2015
> <http://science.sciencemag.org/content/347/6218/145>, but HUNL represents a
> much bigger challenge for AI developers. Some cards are hidden, and
> competitors can only see a small portion of what’s happening in the game at
> any given time. In order to win, players have to rely on their gut
> instincts, guessing what other players might be doing. In other words,
> unlike previous game-playing AI, Libratus has to deal with uncertainties
> and game-playing characteristics that were considered the exclusive domain
> of humans.*
>
> I don't get it. Poker is all about probability, and computers are
> unmatched at tracking cards played and calculating probabilities. Deciding
> whether to hold 'em or fold 'em is a simple matter of calculating the
> probabilities. Yawn.
>
> -Dave
>
>
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