[ExI] GOV _ TRUMP

Mon Mar 6 15:54:39 UTC 2017

Libertarianism is on the Far Left.
> 
> I question whether John ever was a libertarian in any meaningful sense.

A better way to think about these things is to visualize two dimensions:
 one going left to right (conservative - liberal), and one running up and
down (authoritarian - libertarian).  I like the one at politicalcompass.org

Another issue:  there is no such thing as a one size fits all philosophy.
If we have not learned anything from the past few years, it's that adhering
strictly to one position, like the tea party, is destructive of normal
compromise and give and take.  Radical anything is not going to work.

I also agree with John - just say what you believe and leave labels out of
it.  One of my sons thought he was conservative most of his life, and he
found out that he espoused more liberal ideas than conservative - and he
resented it in a way.  I teased him about being a liberal and he got mad!

Mental problems are so varied that many in the field think that the old
labels, like psychotic and neurotic, are just not nearly sufficient and
want to get away from labels entirely, as they confuse more than they
elucidate.

Any label tends to be an overgeneralization.  As for the two dimensions
above?  They are not adequate either.

bill w

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 6:55 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 5, 2017  Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 
>> There are different parts of the Right. For instance, both Clinton and
>> Trump are on the Right (as is most mainstream US politics). Yet, they
>> aren't the same.
>>
>
> Therefore when describing a political belief this entire 
> left-right dimension is not necessary or sufficient. There is no
> general agreement on what is left and what is right, so if you tell me that
> X is a rightest I have no idea what he thinks about free trade or
> economic responsibility or
> Vladimir Putin
> . 
>
>
>> > 
>> You supported Clinton -- evidence for you being on the Right.
>>
>
> When the only alternative is Donald Trump I would have supported
> anyone, except maybe
> Charles Manson
> . And 
> Ted Cruz
> .
>
> > 
>> Gary Johnson is not (and was not) a libertarian.
>>
>
> Nor was he much of a scholar of current events.  
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>> > 
>> The LP is not the gauge of what's libertarian.
>>
>
> I agree, if it was I'd proudly say I am NOT a libertarian, I'm just a
> guy who believes in free trade free markets the free press and the right to
> put any drug you like into your body including heroin and cobra venom. I'm
> also a guy who thinks it might be nice if civilization continued.
>
>
>
>> > 
>> Perhaps you could simply tell us what you mean by 'libertarian' and
>> 'classical libertarian.'
>>
>
> I have gone into that issue in some detail in posts I sent this very
> day. So I think it's your turn to explain what libertarianism is and how
> even a little thing like the advancement of AI doesn't require the
> modification of it in any way. I am all ears.
>
>  John K Clark
>
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