[ExI] Single Payer Healthcare
johnkclark at gmail.com
Wed Mar 29 00:51:51 UTC 2017
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The USA has gone backward. In 1960
> Note the changes in medical legislation from 01956 onward. Would you say
> that has nothing to do with this?
Obviously not, if I thought otherwise I would not have mentioned it as
this thread is about medical legislation.
> Do you want to do data analysis or just do pretend science by factoid?
Factoid?? We're talking about the results of a experiment that lasted
decades involved about a billion people and cost trillions of dollars, and
the results are clear as a bell; like it or not single payer countries get
more bang for their buck, they live longer and spend less, a lot less. As a
libertarian I wish the facts could have produced a different conclusion but
reality doesn't give a damn what I prefer.
> My point is you have to look at more than just tote factoid.
Factoid my ass!
> In this case, you'd have to make sure you're comparing like to like.
Of those 30 countries you can't find one that is anything like the USA?
Are Canadians a different species?
> Let me try another example that you'll ignore, but others might benefit
> Smoking rates are lower in the US than in Japan.
Slightly lower that's true. The smoking in the USA has dropped a lot in
recent years, from 20.9% in 2005 to
vs 19.3% in
> The Japanese life expectancy is higher.
I know, 83.1 years vs 78.8, yet the Japanese spend only $4150 on health
with their single payer plan and the USA spends
with its convoluted mess. This is not a subtle difference that can be
explained away as a rounding error.
> Would you argue we should get US-Americans to smoke more?
No, but if all 30 of the longer lived countries did I most certainly
>> Be honest Dan, if the 30 single payer countries I mentioned spent twice
>> as much on healthcare as the USA and yet their citizens had shorted lives
>> than the USA would you be complaining about
>> sampling errors
>> bias? We both know you wouldn't.
> To be honest, John, it's not entirely honest on your part to avoid my
> questions based on how you feel I might have answered were the data
> In a word,
> you're sidestepping in inconvenient questions.
don't know which question of yours I've sidestepped, but I
of a question of mine
: if the 30 single payer countries I mentioned spent twice as much on
healthcare as the USA and yet their citizens had
lives than the USA would you be complaining about
John K Clark
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