[ExI] sex again

Dan TheBookMan danust2012 at gmail.com
Sat Dec 14 01:30:02 UTC 2019

On Dec 13, 2019, at 4:56 PM, spike at rainier66.com wrote:
> From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On Behalf Of Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat
> >…I’m not so sure Bill W suffers from that here, and I hope will provide some substantiation for his reckoning of trans folks being unhappy with their surgical outcomes…
> Sure but none of what I was talking about to start with required surgery of any kind.  Any of the genders can be any other gender at will.  Surgery is expensive and painful.

I was responding to Bill W’s statement from earlier today:

“side note on gender - the sad facts are that people who go for the full operation to another sex are rarely happy with it.“

He’s definitely referring to surgery there.

Also, in regards to gender, it doesn’t appear that people, especially trans people, select their genders at will. Hence how they often experience problems fitting in and getting desired changes. It seems you’re viewing as whimsical and making much ado about nothing. That doesn’t go along with my personal experience of trans individuals or with what studies I’ve seen. 

Let me ask you: Do you experience either your gender or your orientation as something you can change at will? I certainly don’t. I’m not saying one can’t perhaps alter these over time with lots of effort. My guess would be for the most, even with transgender and genderqueer people, they experience their gender as something interior to them and not under their direct control.

(I’ll respond to the rest of your post later. Have to head out for dinner with a friend.)

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