[ExI] housing again, was RE: sex again

Sat Dec 14 19:16:15 UTC 2019

Adrian, I cannot tell from your answers just what tech has reduced, to use
Spike's word, as a household need.

Certainly a hot water heater and a shower have eliminated having a big
washtub and a wood fire to heat the water, but you need a lot more
plumbing, and money.  A dryer has reduced the need to hang clothes on racks
in front of the fireplace at a greater cost (I assume we are ignoring
increased costs).  A dishwasher has reduced labor.  Electric kitchen
gadgets have reduced labor.  Entertainments systems have reduced the need
to get in the buggy and drive to town.  Air conditioners have reduced the
labor of fanning yourself by hand.  Modern insulation has reduced the need
to save newspaper to stuff in cracks.  I'd better quit.  Note that all of
the modern stuff is now regarded as needs, not wants.  What women would
move in without all of the above - and more?
bill w

On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 12:44 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Depends on the woman.  I am immediately reminded of Judy's apartment from
> Zootopia - a fairly minimalist set of furnishings, to support a single
> person.  (Modulo what all the "people" in Zootopia are, but the concept
> mirrors over to real life well enough.)  Notably, the furnishings would not
> have differed to support a male individual.
>
> See
> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/50/72/0f5072667904efa1e778cdc2e0b722bf.jpg for
> one design, though I think the actual apartment in the movie was even more
> austere.  On this floorplan I see a bed, a desk, a TV for entertainment,
> food prep & storage, clothing storage, and presumably the inner door leads
> to a basic washroom with at least a toilet and sink, likely a small shower
> too.  (Though this also has running water, electricity, and a no-dirt
> floor.)  Occasional services such as laundry are presumably provided
> elsewhere in or near the apartment building on a community basis (such as a
> laundromat).
>
> Certainly the food prep and storage area, at least, is dramatically
> smaller than would have been needed back in the 1700s.  Back then, such
> needs did not scale down to a single person very well, and a typical single
> person accommodation would have been an entire cabin.  Of course, back then
> high-rise apartment buildings did not exist either.
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 10:14 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Needs?  Whose needs?  Just answer this question:
>>
>> What are the things that a house (we are ignoring the outside, the yard,
>> right?) has to have for a women to move into it.  We can omit those things
>> that our forefathers (foremothers?) would have said, like running water and
>> electricity and a no-dirt floor.  bill w
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 11:40 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: spike at rainier66.com <spike at rainier66.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 9:14 AM
>>> To: 'ExI chat list' <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>>> Cc: 'BillK' <pharos at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [ExI] sex again
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On Behalf Of
>>> BillK via extropy-chat
>>> Subject: Re: [ExI] sex again
>>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 at 15:43, spike jones via extropy-chat
>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Move to the Bay Area?  This place is already the Star Wars Bar when it
>>> comes to diversity.  Others will already be comfortable with whatever you
>>> want to be.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Surely you jest?  At those prices?
>>> <
>>> https://www.newser.com/story/283270/to-afford-the-bay-area-he-lived-in-32-s
>>> quare-feet.html
>>> <https://www.newser.com/story/283270/to-afford-the-bay-area-he-lived-in-32-square-feet.html>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> BillK
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >...BillK, I will certainly admit life in the fast lane has is
>>> compromises.
>>> It was a big step down in standard of living for my bride and me when we
>>> came to the Bay in 1989.  Our living arrangements went from this:
>>>
>>> https://dianaoverbey.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/highclerecastle.jpg
>>>
>>> to this:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/0415-sjm-l-birdave-041
>>> 3-1.jpg?w=467
>>> <https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/0415-sjm-l-birdave-0413-1.jpg?w=467>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> The second link didn't come thru before.  Trying again:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/0415-sjm-l-birdave-041
>>> 3-1.jpg?w=467
>>> <https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/0415-sjm-l-birdave-0413-1.jpg?w=467>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been toying with an idea I wanted to bounce offa you.
>>>
>>> Things are very different now than when I started engineering.  At
>>> Lockheeed
>>> often a ranking engineer would have his desk, a drawing board, a flat
>>> file
>>> (ja I know you went to google because you never saw one of those), a
>>> typewriter desk, filing cabinets, a safe (for classified documents) a
>>> cabinet for drafting tools, perhaps several other pieces of equipment
>>> modern
>>> engineers couldn't even name and had never seen.
>>>
>>> In my last assignment at that company, I inherited the office of Jerry
>>> Wozniak, who retired a multimillionaire for reasons having little to do
>>> with
>>> this job there but you likely already know by his name.  We got rid of
>>> most
>>> of the outdated equipment in there and moved more guys in.  There were
>>> four
>>> engineers in that office and we still had pleeeeennnty of room.  We even
>>> kept Jerry's outdated filing cabinet just because it had his name on it.
>>> Hell of a nice guy he was.  Never a bit crowded in that office with the
>>> four
>>> engineers desks and some of Jerry's old stuff.
>>>
>>> Reason: that list of stuff from Jerry Wozniak's era was all made
>>> obsolete by
>>> Jerry's son's invention.
>>>
>>> OK then, let's think it over and see if our housing needs were reduced by
>>> technology.  I would argue that they are.
>>>
>>> Before I present my notions, I will offer a chance for you to think it
>>> over
>>> and post ideas.
>>>
>>> spike
>>>
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