[ExI] Fwd: Chalmers

[William Flynn Wallace]

I would also bet money that very soon they will NOT even be able to even
prove that the experimental subject is subjectively experiencing the qualia
red much less determine which law of physics produced it.

 John K Clark
I am no physicist nor am up on any of the consciousness research and can't
tell qualia from subjective experience.  But - it would seem a simple thing
to do brain scans while the subject is looking at red or whatever stimulus
you want to trace in the brain to its ultimate destination, and thus get a
picture of what happens in the subject's brain when those stimuli are
present.

bill w

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 1:25 PM John Clark via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 10:07 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> *> My prediction is that very soon after experimentalists start doing
>> observation of the physics in the brain in a non-qualia blind way, *
>
>
> The experimentalists would have no choice in the matter, they'd have to
> observe in a non-qualia blind way. The only way they'd know if they'd
> produced a subjective sensation of redness is to listen to the noises made
> by the subject's mouth, and that would be a very poor way to know things
> because there is no evidence qualia is required to produce noise.
>
> *> they will discover which of all their descriptions of physics are a
>> description of redness. *
>
>
> I would bet money no new fundamental physics will be required to explain
> how and when the brain sends signals to the muscles of the mouth that
> causes it to make a sound like "I am experiencing red". But I would also
> bet money that very soon they will NOT even be able to even prove that the
> experimental subject is subjectively experiencing the qualia red much less
> determine which law of physics produced it.
>
>  John K Clark
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