[ExI] Fwd: Fwd: Chalmers

[Brent Allsop]

I’m on William’s side with this one, and so glad William is calling John
out on this.  The fact that John is conflating an elemental redness quale
with a very different memory of red shows he doesn’t yet fully understand
what an elemental redness quale is, and how this must be physically very
different then the memory of such.

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 1:23 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> If you had no eyes or lived in pitch darkness all your life you wouldn't
> see or remember red. john
>
> LOL!!!  Or if I never lived, or lived at the bottom of the sea......
>
> I do see things when I close my eyes, though the images are faint, not
> even as strong as those in dreams.  The strongest images I have ever had
> while asleep were from ether dreams at age 6 and 9.  (note - having an
> operation under ether probably produces images different from those in
> ordinary sleep - different in the sense that the eeg waves were probably
> not the same as the ones in the ordinary sleep stages)
>
> bill w
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:09 PM John Clark via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:32 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Taking your statement literally:  you close your eyes and remember
>>> red.  I can close mine and 'see' red or any other color or shape or person
>>> etc.
>>>
>>
>> If you had no eyes or lived in pitch darkness all your life you wouldn't
>> see or remember red.
>>
>> *> Do you not?   bill w*
>>>
>>
>> No, they're different sensations. I can tell the difference between
>> seeing something and remembering something and I'm very glad I can because
>> otherwise I'd get hopelessly confused.
>>
>>  John K Clark
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