[ExI] ccp struggles

spike at rainier66.com spike at rainier66.com
Tue Apr 14 13:01:23 UTC 2020



> On Behalf Of John Clark via extropy-chat

Subject: Re: [ExI] ccp struggles


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 5:56 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote: 


> Stathis, without the right to bear arms, the people have no rights at all,


And that's why today life in New Zealand, Canada and Denmark is indistinguishable from what life was like under Stalin in the USSR or in Nazi Germany,..... oh wait... 



John, I had perceived you as a guy who doesn’t trust the US government.  


> but rather only a list of grudging permissions which may be taken away at the government’s whim.


>…But things are very different in America because the US army knows that an angry redneck with a shotgun…


The angry redneck and the military are on the same side.


>…could easily destroy a M1 Abrams battle tank or a F-22 jet fighter…


Neither of those weapons are brought to bear against angry rednecks on American soil.


>…Because of this 19,510 Americans had the freedom to get murdered last year (6 per 100,000)…


Had we no right to bear arms, that number would have been in the millions.  The right to bear arms protects Americans against the bad guys.


>…I said it before I'll say it again, regardless of how beautiful a theory is if it doesn't fit the facts it must be abandoned…


John feel free to abandon any theory you wish.  That is why we have a second amendment, for those who wish to abandon the theory that Americans have rights.



> There are Americans who will argue Americans’ civil rights can be rescinded at the government’s whim,


>…That is true. I've even heard of an American who I believe happens to be the head of the government's executive branch say "I have the right to do anything" and "I have the right to do a lot of things that people don’t even know about" and "The federal government has absolute power" and "When somebody is the president of the United States their authority is total." But we have rednecks with shotguns so we have no need to worry.  John K Clark


It worked: the federal government did not take over and assume dictatorial control of the country or violate Americans’ constitutional rights.  


Aren’t you glad we have a constitution?  So am I.



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