[ExI] ccp struggles

Tue Apr 14 16:31:18 UTC 2020

+1 on all of Spike's points.  The disconnect with gun owners and general
contempt for a key part of the Constitution by John is somewhat
surprising.  The only rights you are guaranteed are secured by the end of a
gun barrel.

I'd also expect most libertarian leaning types to be prepared to defend
their family and homestead without waiting for police to arrive when it
will be too late.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:23 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
> Of *John Clark via extropy-chat
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:06 AM
> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> *Cc:* John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] ccp struggles
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> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:44 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> *> **John, starting out a post with the comment “…Regardless of what the
> Constitution says…” is not a good way to develop credibility. *
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> Why the hell not?!
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> Because the Constitution is the law of our land.  When you repudiate the
> ConUS, you repudiate our legal system, which is why we need a militia.
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> *> **Have you visited a gun shop and made some kind of survey in which
> you inquired regarding the customers’ gender and age?*
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> >…No I have not…
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> You should, John.  It is educational.  Visit the local firing range too.
> Talk and listen there.
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> *> **The framers had just survived a bitter struggle against tyranny with
> only muzzle-loading flintlocks. *
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> >…Then why does Joe Redneck need anything more…
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> For protection against those who treat the militia with disrespect and
> contempt.
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> Note the second amendment doesn’t say what arms are necessary, only that a
> militia is necessary to the security of a free state.  I live in a free
> state.  I agree with the constitution.  John do you agree with the
> constitution?  If not, I agree with it enough for the both of us, with
> change left over.
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> >… And you didn't answer my question, are there any limits or does the
> second amendment allow Walmart to sell H-Bombs?
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> I don’t know that this has come to the Supreme Court, but I can imagine
> they would say it is the states’ call.  As far as I know, Walmart has never
> had H-Bomb in its catalog.
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> >…And you didn't answer my other question either, if the crackpot militias
> and a modern professional army are really on the same side then why on
> earth do we need the redneck's shotgun?
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> We don’t need the redneck’s shotgun.  If you wish to take up with the neck
> of color why she needs her shotgun, then do go right ahead.  Good chance
> she will tell you it is to hunt ducks and protect her from people like
> you.  Fortunately we don’t need to know why we need the neck of color’s
> shotgun.
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> By the way John, how much free speech do you need?  Do you need high
> capacity free speech?  Or can the government put a legal limit on your
> words, and the type of words you use?  I like my free speech and I do not
> wish for government people telling me how many words and which words I can
> use.
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> >…The only well regulated militias in the US are the National Guard, the
> Navy Militia, and 23 state militias…
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> You left out the unorganized militia, which is none of the above.  You
> were part of the unorganized militia for 28 years:
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> 10 U.S. Code § 246.Militia: composition and classes
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> ·         U.S. Code
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246#tab_default_1>
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> ·         Notes
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246#tab_default_2>
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> prev | next <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/247>
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> The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at
> least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32
> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/32/313>, under 45 years of age
> who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of
> the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are
> members of the National Guard.
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> *(b)*The classes of the militia are—
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> the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval
> Militia; and
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> the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who
> are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
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> >… Most of the others are crackpots and are not regulated at all, the 2
> largest are the  Oath Keepers <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers>
> and the Three Percenters <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Percenters>,
> neither one exactly gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling, in fact I'd trust
> them about as far as I could comfortably spit out a rat…  John K Clark
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> No worries, John, you don’t give them a warm and fuzzy feeling either, and
> they don’t trust you as far as they could spit a rat.  They exist to
> protect you and to protect themselves if you attack them.  However, they
> are peaceful types.  None of the murders in the worst hotspots are carried
> out by these organizations.  If they were the problem, we would know.
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> spike
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