[ExI] ccp struggles

Tue Apr 14 17:09:33 UTC 2020

I agree, Bill, but get the feeling John would be fine with depriving the
rest of us of the right to do so.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 1:06 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I'd also expect most libertarian leaning types to be prepared to defend
> their family and homestead without waiting for police to arrive when it
> will be too late.
>
> I suspect that that's true of left libertarians like myself, as well as
> the right wing ones.  I am not sure that politics has anything to do with
> home protection.
>
> bill w
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:36 AM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> +1 on all of Spike's points.  The disconnect with gun owners and general
>> contempt for a key part of the Constitution by John is somewhat
>> surprising.  The only rights you are guaranteed are secured by the end of a
>> gun barrel.
>>
>> I'd also expect most libertarian leaning types to be prepared to defend
>> their family and homestead without waiting for police to arrive when it
>> will be too late.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:23 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On
>>> Behalf Of *John Clark via extropy-chat
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:06 AM
>>> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>>> *Cc:* John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] ccp struggles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:44 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *> **John, starting out a post with the comment “…Regardless of what
>>> the Constitution says…” is not a good way to develop credibility. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why the hell not?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Because the Constitution is the law of our land.  When you repudiate the
>>> ConUS, you repudiate our legal system, which is why we need a militia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *> **Have you visited a gun shop and made some kind of survey in which
>>> you inquired regarding the customers’ gender and age?*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >…No I have not…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You should, John.  It is educational.  Visit the local firing range
>>> too.  Talk and listen there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *> **The framers had just survived a bitter struggle against tyranny
>>> with only muzzle-loading flintlocks. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >…Then why does Joe Redneck need anything more…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For protection against those who treat the militia with disrespect and
>>> contempt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Note the second amendment doesn’t say what arms are necessary, only that
>>> a militia is necessary to the security of a free state.  I live in a free
>>> state.  I agree with the constitution.  John do you agree with the
>>> constitution?  If not, I agree with it enough for the both of us, with
>>> change left over.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >… And you didn't answer my question, are there any limits or does the
>>> second amendment allow Walmart to sell H-Bombs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t know that this has come to the Supreme Court, but I can imagine
>>> they would say it is the states’ call.  As far as I know, Walmart has never
>>> had H-Bomb in its catalog.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >…And you didn't answer my other question either, if the crackpot
>>> militias and a modern professional army are really on the same side then
>>> why on earth do we need the redneck's shotgun?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We don’t need the redneck’s shotgun.  If you wish to take up with the
>>> neck of color why she needs her shotgun, then do go right ahead.  Good
>>> chance she will tell you it is to hunt ducks and protect her from people
>>> like you.  Fortunately we don’t need to know why we need the neck of
>>> color’s shotgun.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way John, how much free speech do you need?  Do you need high
>>> capacity free speech?  Or can the government put a legal limit on your
>>> words, and the type of words you use?  I like my free speech and I do not
>>> wish for government people telling me how many words and which words I can
>>> use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >…The only well regulated militias in the US are the National Guard, the
>>> Navy Militia, and 23 state militias…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You left out the unorganized militia, which is none of the above.  You
>>> were part of the unorganized militia for 28 years:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 10 U.S. Code § 246.Militia: composition and classes
>>>
>>> ·         U.S. Code
>>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246#tab_default_1>
>>>
>>> ·         Notes
>>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246#tab_default_2>
>>>
>>> prev | next <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/247>
>>>
>>> *(a)*
>>>
>>> The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at
>>> least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32
>>> <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/32/313>, under 45 years of age
>>> who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of
>>> the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are
>>> members of the National Guard.
>>>
>>> *(b)*The classes of the militia are—
>>>
>>> *(1)*
>>>
>>> the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the
>>> Naval Militia; and
>>>
>>> *(2)*
>>>
>>> the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia
>>> who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >… Most of the others are crackpots and are not regulated at all, the 2
>>> largest are the  Oath Keepers
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers>  and the Three Percenters
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Percenters>, neither one exactly
>>> gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling, in fact I'd trust them about as far as I
>>> could comfortably spit out a rat…  John K Clark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No worries, John, you don’t give them a warm and fuzzy feeling either,
>>> and they don’t trust you as far as they could spit a rat.  They exist to
>>> protect you and to protect themselves if you attack them.  However, they
>>> are peaceful types.  None of the murders in the worst hotspots are carried
>>> out by these organizations.  If they were the problem, we would know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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