[ExI] prisons

[Adrian Tymes]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:15 AM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:50 PM Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 7:11 PM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 9:58 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 5:30 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote
>>>>
>>>> ### I actually agree with you that keeping serial burglars in prison is
>>>> a poor solution to the problem. My inclination would be to just kill them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which would result in, no doubt, many cases of serial burglars becoming
>>>> more violent. In other words, likely a case of the cure being worse than
>>>> the disease.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ### A increased threat of being killed (by homeowners indemnified for
>>> shooting invaders, or by automated security devices, or by constables
>>> identifying you from security or traffic camera footage or by the hangman
>>> after a quick trial) would be an inducement to commit more violence, rather
>>> than back down?
>>>
>>> How would that inducement to violence work, precisely?
>>>
>>
>> Destroy the cameras and kill all witnesses.  It's one thing if they're
>> just going to jail, but if they will probably die if they leave anyone or
>> anything that would recognize them, the cost of such destruction becomes
>> worth it in more cases.
>>
>
> ### Well, destroying *all* cameras? That's a tall order, mechanically,
> whenever premises are protected by hidden or cloud-connected cameras. If
> destroying cameras is easy, they would do it even if not threatened with
> death. If it's difficult - they won't burglarize, knowing they will die for
> their crime.
>

Their perceived choices:
* Burgle but don't destroy, get caught, and die.
* Don't burgle, starve, and die.  (This is almost always a false perception
- there are many other ways to not starve - but it is what they believe.)
* Burgle and be as destructive as possible, leaving no witnesses mechanical
or living, and don't die.

Pillaging - thorough destruction - is remarkably easy, if one is committed
to destruction as one's only choice for survival.


> I would like to have the option of killing burglars who invade my house,
> or having them killed by hired enforcers, without fear of prosecution
>

You have that option today, if you are bloody minded enough.  Just make
sure to kill them all, and that all surviving witnesses will agree there
was the perception of a threat that merited deadly force in response.
Should the burglar escape wounded - or should some burglars escape while
others in the same burglary die - then the escapees may sue.
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