[ExI] The Soul

[William Flynn Wallace]

So then, 'everybody has a house' is equivalent to 'nobody has a house'.
??   bill w

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:47 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:46 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>
>> *> In my opinion, I define the soul and the mind differently, and I am
>> not sure if they are the same.The mind: we all know what this means, I
>> think.  An organized, conscious thing.*
>
>
> And you thought that with your mind.
>
>
>> *> **The soul: this one is tougher.  Let me see if I can devise some
>> 'axioms of the soul':*
>> *1. Presence: It must exist*
>> *1 --> 2. Permanence: It must exist for non-trivial periods of time*
>>
>
> The same is true for mind, and for anything of practical importance.
>
>
>> *> 3. Integration: Its parts must be part of a clearly defined system
>> with boundaries.  *
>>
>
> That is also true for mind, and mind  is what a brain does, so the amount
> of integration is determined by the number of connections between the parts
> of the brain and the amount of time it takes for a signal to travel from
> one part of the brain to another. And that's where this "we're all part of
> one mind" stuff falls apart.
>
> *> 2 + 3 --> 4. Closeness: given a permanence period A to B, the
>> probability that the parts of the system are integrated in the same manner
>> at B as they were at A must be much higher than the probability that they
>> are integrated with foreign parts at B.*
>>
>
> I think you're saying distant parts must have less influence than nearby
> parts, but that is not always true for computers or for biological brains.
> Sometimes the information a part needs to complete a calculation is on the
> other side of the brain; this slows things down but can't always be avoided
> because you can't always predict what information you'll need to complete a
> calculation before you've finished the calculation.
>
> > *By this definition, an atom is a soul.  *
>>
>
> Then it's a bad definition. Meaning needs contrast, everything having a
> soul is equivalent to nothing having a soul.
>
> *> If telekinesis exists ...*
>>
>
> it would have been proven to everybody's satisfaction centuries if not
> millennia ago.
>
> John K Clark
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