[ExI] atheists/religion

[Dylan Distasio]

I think you're stretching the generally agreed upon definition of theism if
you don't include god/gods in the definition.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:49 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I'm not talking about religion.  I didn't mention religion.  I mentioned a
> philosophical viewpoint, theism, which will grow in accord with science as
> we discover more about our reality.  All the saints and miracles and fake
> heavens and hells can shove it for all I care.  Science is germane to
> theism, as science reveals the truth.
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 2:25 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> At some point, in my opinion, atheism will be seen, by scientists and the
>> academic community, as a ridiculous and antiquated viewpoint.  will
>>
>> Not unless they change the epistemology of science.   A far better bet is
>> when the geneticists manage to eliminate superstitious behavior and false
>> correlation, religion as we know it will entirely disappear.  bill w
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:14 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand what Giulio means.  I think there is a strain in modern A
>>> for Atheism that sort of acts like we have the whole universe figured out.
>>> This lack of mystery or wonder then leads to ennui.
>>>
>>> Theism and agnosticism are approaching one another, especially with the
>>> singularity and simulation arguments, and as we learn more about unknown
>>> aspects of the universe.  At some point, in my opinion, atheism will be
>>> seen, by scientists and the academic community, as a ridiculous and
>>> antiquated viewpoint.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:48 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Consoled?  They want advice of the most serious kind.  That is what we
>>>> have been discussing:  just what principles do we have that supplant the
>>>> ones we originally got (most of us) from religion.  What are you going to
>>>> say to them?  The secular humanists are a good start as are the extropians
>>>> Spike mentioned.  And you can go a long way with the Golden Rule (no,
>>>> people, don't tell me the exceptions we all know about).  Also, I see in
>>>> the news a movement trying to get a monument to the Bill of Rights on the
>>>> Mall in D.C.  Support that if you can.  Bill of R is a good start for
>>>> principles,mostly of the rationalist kind.   I also think the UN has
>>>> something like a bill of rights.  bill w
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:13 AM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When my grandpa dies, considering my uncle died last week, and someone
>>>>> tells me, “I feel so sorry for you.” I wouldn’t see that as patronizing. In
>>>>> the beforetimes it would probably be accompanied by a hug, which I don’t
>>>>> normally care for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Context makes it patronizing or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone comes to you and says something like, “I’m an athiest and
>>>>> very happy with my life”, then of course it is patronizing. But at the same
>>>>> time if someone says something like, “I don’t believe in God anymore, how
>>>>> am I going to live my life?” Well, that’s different and they probably want
>>>>> to be consoled.
>>>>>
>>>>> SR Ballard
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 3, 2020, at 6:48 AM, John Clark via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:19 AM Dave Sill via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> *I didn’t say anything negative about atheists. I said that I
>>>>>>> think they are sad, and therefore I feel sorry for them.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >That's patronizing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of the subject it's ALWAYS patronizing when somebody says
>>>>> "I feel so sorry for you", it's hypocritical too because hearing such a
>>>>> statement never makes anybody feel better, and it isn't said to express
>>>>> compassion it's said to express contempt.
>>>>>
>>>>>  John K Clark
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