[ExI] Mental Phenomena

[Brent Allsop]

Hi Stathis,



Right, that is what I bolded in my description of what you are saying, to
communicate to you that I understand this critically important part of your
view:



*As long as the "behavior" remains the same the subjectivity must also
remain the same.*



So, are we agreeing that redness is dependent on some specifically
definable substrate “behavior”, and that if this specific substrate
behavior is substituted for anything sufficiently different, it is no
longer redness?



On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:15 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 10:04, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Stathis,
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 3:02 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> And the reason is that if you repeat it back you seem to agree, but then
>>> later disagree. It would help if you clearly said something like “there can
>>> be a change in qualia without a change in behaviour”. (And I have defined
>>> behaviour: it is everything that can be observed, including speech, and not
>>> just strawberry-picking ability).
>>>
>>
>> If you were listening to me, and repeating back to me what I've been
>> trying to say, instead of incorrectly saying what I've never said: “there
>> can be a change in qualia without a change in behaviour”, you would
>> acknowledge that I'm trying to say something closer to qualia and qualia
>> behavior are the same thing.  If the behavior isn't changing, and qualia
>> are changing, that changing qualia must be some place else.  And if you
>> substitute all behavior (or function or magic or anything), with something
>> that is different, and the qualia never change, qualia are impossible, or
>> at best not approachable via science.
>>
>
> If you agree that the qualia cannot change unless the behaviour changes,
> that is functionalism.
>
>> --
> Stathis Papaioannou
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