[ExI] Possible seat of consciousness found

Brent Allsop brent.allsop at gmail.com
Tue Feb 18 19:22:00 UTC 2020

Hi Ben,

It all has to do with the color of things.  What is it hat has a redness
quality?  It can't be the strawberry that has the redness quality, because
you could invert the red/green signal anywhere in the chain of events that
is perception as illustrated here
Using one word for all things 'red' tells you nothing of what color
anything is.   If you only use one word for all things red, that is qualia
blind.  In order to account for the color of things, you need two words:
red, for anything that reflects or emits red light, and a different word
redNESS, to account for the quality of you knowledge of such.  If you can't
model simple concepts in your thinking and in your language like: "My
redness is like your grenness, both of which we refer to as red".  That
language/thinking is qualia blind.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:35 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Brent, I reckon the reason you're not getting through to anyone here (and
> let's face it, you're not. I've yet to hear a single person say "ah, yes, I
> see what you mean") is that you keep saying things like "You represent red
> things with knowledge that has your redness quality", and "What is robot
> number 3’s knowledge qualitatively like?", but (I think I'm right in
> saying) *nobody has a clue what these phrases actually mean*. I certainly
> don't (your language reminds me of things produced by the Post-Modernist
> Essay Generator), and you show no willingness to try to explain, which is
> why I've given up on participating in these pointless discussions. It's not
> even amusing anymore.
> Constantly telling people they're wrong, 'qualia-blind', beside the point,
> or misinterpreting what you say, doesn't actually help. You seem to be
> persisting in 'doing what you always did', and you know what that leads to:
> 'getting what you always got'. Blank incomprehension, in this case. I still
> don't know, after literally years of reading your posts, on and off, if
> that's completely justified, and the correct response, or not.
> --
> Ben Zaiboc
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