[ExI] Fwd: Fwd: Mental Phenomena

Brent Allsop brent.allsop at gmail.com
Wed Feb 19 22:09:22 UTC 2020

Most everything you say is obviously true, but unrelated to what I’m trying
to talk about.  So, I don’t understand why you act as though I’m wrong, or
something.  I completely agree with you.  But just because some unrelated
things you change the topic to (“one more time”) are obviously true,
doesn't make the unrelated thing I am talking about wrong.

I’m not talking about what a one hemisphere brain can know after being
severed from the other hemisphere.  I’m talking about what a hemisphere can
know, when not severed.  Our visual knowledge is a composite qualitative
experience with half of the knowledge in one hemisphere and visa versa.
The knowledge in one hemisphere could be engineered to be red/green
inverted from the other.  Whether or not this had been done, both
hemispheres could know what red is like for both hemispheres with
unmistakable surety.  This computational binding, enabling you to
directly experience
all of the knowledge, as one composite conscious experience, is
mechanically enabled via the 300 or so million neurons that are the corpus

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 4:12 PM John Clark via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> *>You, John, and everyone on this list continue to claim there is no way
>> we could know what qualia were like in another brain. But using this type
>> of neural ponytail, where you provide something like the 300 million
>> neurons, computationally binding 4 hemispheres the way the corpus callosum
>> computationally bind 2 hemispheres.* [...] *So why do you you or John or
>> anyone continue to think that we can't know, given this*
> I'll do this one more time. I'm what a unified 2 hemisphere brain does
> because my corpus callosum has NOT been cut so I don't know what it's like
> to be a isolated hemisphere, and if it was cut neither hemisphere would
> know what it's like to be a non-isolated unified 2 hemisphere brain. And a
> 4 hemisphere brain wouldn't know what it's like to be a 2 hemisphere brain.
> I've said all this before more than once but rather than challenge my
> answer you just keep asking the exact same question, why don't I think it
> will work.
> *> your talking at the composite qualia level.  Of course composite qualia
>> is going to be very unique for each individual.* [...]  *This is
>> especially true for color knowledge. *
> Brown is just dim orange and the only way you can know it's dim is if you
> have access to something that is not dim. Qualia is no different from
> everything else in that regard, it needs contrast to be meaningful. So it's
> meaningless to talk about elemental qualia in isolation because all qualia
> is composite.
>  John K Clark
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