[ExI] you'll never see this again

[William Flynn Wallace]

How very wrong you are, Spike.  Everything, everything, everything is
political to a politician, and if it isn't, they make it so by spin
doctors.  bill w


The pandemic is not an opportunity, it is a crisis.



spike

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:03 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> > *On Behalf Of *John Clark via extropy-chat
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] you'll never see this again
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> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:45 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> *>> ** I didn’t jump to anyone’s defense.  Pointing out that POTUS has no
> jurisdiction in this case isn’t defending POTUS.*
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> >…You're excusing POTUS's dereliction of duty…
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> POTUS has no jurisdiction in how states run their response to the crisis.
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> >…The virus has outsmarted Trump at every turn…
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> POTUS has no jurisdiction in how states run their response to the crisis.
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> >… So Trump is out of ideas, he's in way over his head…
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> Irrelevant.  POTUS has no jurisdiction in how states run their response to
> the crisis.
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> >…so he just throws up his hands and says there's nothing I can do…
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> There is nothing he can do.  POTUS has no jurisdiction in this.  To do
> something is to seize dictatorial powers.
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> None of that is defense of anyone at the national level.
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> >…And for similar reasons Franklin Roosevelt said in a famous speech:
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> "*Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 -- a date which will live in infamy --
> the Territory of Hawaii was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and
> air forces of the Empire of Japan. I'm sure I speak for all Americans when
> I say I wish the Hawaiians the very best of luck in the difficult struggle
> they have before them.*"
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> Ja.  Do you see the difference between a military attack by a foreign
> military and an attack by a virus?  POTUS commands the military.  POTUS can
> do that legally, but he military cannot shoot  a virus.  To do what it
> sounds like you expect would require POTUS to assume dictatorial powers,
> which POTUS cannot legally do.
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> > *(Bill of Rights, Amendments 9 and 10.)*
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> >…If what you say is true and the constitution renders the federal
> government powerless to protect its citizens from a global virus epidemic…
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> YES!  JA!  John, you are right on with that comment.  The United States of
> America is a collection of state governments working together for the
> common defense and the other things.  The Fed can restrict international
> travel, but really not a lot beyond that.  It cannot dictate to the states
> how they will run their business.
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> >… as every other advanced technological country in the world has managed
> to do then that is an admission that the constitution of the United States
> is a complete failure…
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> No it is a complete success.  Some states have been a complete failure,
> and I would point to New York.
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> >… and is nothing but a worthless scrap of paper…
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> On the contrary.  It is a piece of paper which prevents the federal
> government from becoming a dictatorship.
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> >… I think the current POTUS is worthless…
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> Well then, aren’t you glad POTUS doesn’t run the show?
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> >… Protecting its citizens is the entire point of having a federal
> government…
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> It does protect its citizens from foreign invaders.  Virus protection is
> done at the state level, because states have a lot more resources available
> for raising funds than does the Federal government.
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> >>* the pandemic is not a left-right issue,*
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> >…As long as Trump thinks… And respect for the truth has also become a
> left-right issue.  John K Clark
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> It doesn’t matter what POTUS thinks, for he is not a governor, and has no
> jurisdiction in how states run their business.  This is not a defense of
> anyone, it is our legal system.  To seize dictatorial powers in response to
> a crisis is to seize dictatorial powers.
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> Notice how I wrote all of that with no political content, none.  Do ye
> likewise please.
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> The pandemic is not an opportunity, it is a crisis.
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> spike
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