[ExI] Jimmy 'the Greek' Snyder

[William Flynn Wallace]

The last thing we need is people who go out and try to be heroes.  And I
doubt you'd get any volunteers to police Harlem.  You are right about high
speed chases, but calling ahead and putting down tire destroyers (or
whatever they are called) does work.  I think that volunteers could easily
be added to neighborhoods - unarmed, strolling around saying Hi to people
and getting to know them, wearing a badge but no uniform or other
equipment.  These volunteers could get to know the criminals, the places
too easy to rob, and so on.  But I cannot see relying on them alone.
Maybeyou could put a volunteer together with a cop in a patrol car.
Sometimes you need two people in the cop car, but they don't have to both
be cops.  Someone to call 'officer in trouble' would come in handy.

bill w

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 10:31 AM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I think maniacs driving 120mph are somewhat self limiting. But studies
> show that high speed chases are the wrong approach.
>
>
> https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a9096/why-high-speed-police-chases-are-going-away-15532838/
>
> Voluntary police can still work IF the areas are made small enough. For
> example, someone would not want to police all of manhattan. But 4 blocks? I
> think they’d be willing to.
>
> And there’s enough dudes who try to be heroes anyway, so I think “shots
> fired” would still get responded to.
>
> Withe voluntary community policing, crime becomes a personal affront.
> Whether that’s good or bad is a different story.
>
> SR Ballard
>
> On Jun 9, 2020, at 8:12 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> Perhaps I missed them because I thought when I read them that they were
> ludicrous.  Personal defense is a good idea, but most people never get
> attacked.  Private security would, I assume cost more than what we get with
> tax dollars and poor people could not afford it.
>
> Voluntary police:  I can see this working if a town is not larger than a
> few hundred.  Numerous problems here, including training, insurance if
> hurt, and the likelihood that an ordinary citizen would go on a call where
> shooting is occuring.  I just can't see getting thousands of volunteers in
> big cities where violent crime is not rare at all but happens many times a
> day.
>
> Just to give one example:  which of the above would deal with maniacs
> driving 120 mph on city streets?    bill w
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 7:31 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> You must have missed the three examples I gave in my first two sentences:
>>
>> 1. “personal self-defense“
>>
>> 2. “voluntary defense associations for those extremely rare occasions
>> when violent confrontations happen”
>>
>> 3. “Private security”
>>
>> I brought up the Benson book and the Smith essay as examples of a vast
>> literature by libertarians on how to deal with this issue. Not only is the
>> literature vast, but it goes back decades. The idea of dismantling the
>> police and government in general are not really all that new in libertarian
>> circles. Again, they’ve been discussed and written about before I was born.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dan
>>    Sample my Kindle books at:
>>
>> http://author.to/DanUst
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 2:21 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> I am simply not interested enough in it to read a book.  But just a hint
>> or two about how to deal with crime without police would be a help.  bill w
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:37 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have all the answers here, but personal self-defense and
>>> voluntary defense associations for those extremely rare occasions when
>>> violent confrontations happen. Private security already plays a role in
>>> current US-American society, such as security guards inside shopping malls
>>> and the like. So I don't see any reason why people can't specialize in
>>> security and things like detection and apprehension of suspects. What
>>> wouldn't exist under such a system is a group of people who have special
>>> privileges because of this specialization. (And self-help wouldn't be
>>> outlawed.)
>>>
>>> Elsewhere I mentioned Bruce L. Benson's 1990 book _The Enterprise of
>>> Law: Justice Without the State_. He goes over much of this in far more
>>> depth than me. Also, market anarchists have been discussing how to deal
>>> with crime without the state for decades now. This is all part of the
>>> literature of libertarian thought, no? (What shocks me is meeting people
>>> who call themselves libertarians who seem unaware of this work. Have you
>>> heard of Benson's work? That's not his only book. How about George H.
>>> Smith? Have you read his essay "Justice Entrepreneurship In a Free Market"?
>>> He wrote on this subject back in 1979!)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
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