[ExI] Protest

[Stathis Papaioannou]

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 10:49, spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> > *On Behalf Of *Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat
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> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] Protest
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> >…You shifted from what to do with a vandal In a protest situation  like
> in the video versus everything else. Again, my point was they could handle
> that particular person without turning him (I’m presuming it was a guy)
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> I disagree.  He needs to be in police custody.  The BLM protestors handing
> him over to the police is the right thing.   If their protest is that
> police are brutal only to black suspects, and this sleazy bastard is white,
> then they would argue he is perfectly safe in police custody.
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> >…And, once more, if you’re protesting police misconduct it seems
> painfully ironic to not seek another solution…
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> Not to me.  The protestors are not vandals.  The protestors do not like
> vandals.  The protestors do not want to be equated with vandals, they want
> to distance themselves from vandals.  So… they handed him over.  He is
> white, so no problem, ja?
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> >…In fact, they were already there: they stopped him from his act of
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> Good for them.
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> >…Did they need to do more? Maybe. Perhaps they could’ve told him to leave
> the area while taking away his hammer and other tools. Perhaps they
> could’ve photographed him and threatened to dox him of he was caught around
> the area again.  Do you disagree here?
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> I do.  Dan, images are everything.  That image of BLM protestors handing
> the vandal over to the National Guard is a powerful image.  It established
> their credibility as a protest movement.
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> >…You really think it was a great idea to turn him over to the police?
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> I do.
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> >…You feel there was zero possibility that the police — known for killing
> people for minor offenses like shoplifting or even just on w whim  — might
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> He is white.  According to BLM point of view, he is safe in police custody.
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> >…At least you get points here for not bringing up Saul Alinsky. ;)
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> Regards,  Dan
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> Give me time Dan, I will think of something.
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> OK, hmmm, I’m busted on that.  But think about it: the Black Lives Matter
> movement is about police fearing black people and being more eager to use
> lethal force.  Well hell, they are right about that.  BLM has a good
> point.  We get it.
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> The BLM movement isn’t against policing, it is against police brutality
> particularly when it involves black people.  Well OK we get that.  but the
> BLM movement isn’t against policing.  Plenty of them are from areas where
> they damn well know they need police.  They aren’t arguing that all police
> are bad.  They aren’t specifically anti-police they are anti-police
> brutality.  Well, we are too.
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> At the local BLM rally Sunday, the police chief spoke.  There were a few
> hecklers in the audience, but these guys were seeing each other’s points of
> view.  BLM wants peaceful rallies.  They don’t want to fight the cops, they
> don’t want vandalism, they don’t want looters.  All three of those groups
> detract from their message.
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> Handing over the vandal was not only the right thing, it was the most
> powerful few seconds of video in their favor I have seen to date.
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What I find disturbing about the Black Lives Matter protests around the
world is that participants seem to think black lives don’t matter if death
is due to the coronavirus.

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Stathis Papaioannou
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