[ExI] antiscience from both sides

[Darin Sunley]

This.

A lot of Trump's "base" knows he is, by historical standards, largely
unqualified to be President and, by most standards, a terrible person on
top of that, but see the utilitarian calculus as so stark that, if he can
make a meaningful dent in the US's abortion rates [as he seems on track to
do], as well as not start a major war, /literally/ nothing else he does
matters.

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:40 AM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I don't have an interest in getting too deep down this rabbit hole, but I
> do agree that in general Trump is not really a classical Republican, let
> alone right wing on many issues.   That said, I can give you an easy answer
> on why he is tolerated by SOME real conservatives.   He has appointed a ton
> of judges including SCOTUS ones, and has consistently sided with
> conservatives on the issues of abortion and religion.   This is enough for
> a lot of them under the circumstances.   Trump's actual base is a lot more
> complicated to pin down tough.
>
> In terms of spending, both parties are now very similar and have been for
> a very long time.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:28 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> He knows how to appeal to right wingers.  I don’t see anything a bit
>> right wing about how the US government is running.  Do you?
>>
>>
>>
>> spike
>>
>>
>> *Well now there's an interesting question.  Let's lay aside the issue of
>> money and debt for the nonce.  If it's not right wing, it's either left
>> wing or a combination.  Which is it?  What has come out of D.C.in
>> <http://D.C.in> the last couple of years that we can point to and say
>> conservative, or liberal?  Trump's base is red, so what's red that he has
>> done or Congress has done?  If Spike is right, then the red base hasn't
>> gotten what it wanted and should be unhappy with T.*
>>
>>
>> *bill w*
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:46 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > *On Behalf Of *John Clark via extropy-chat
>>>
>>> *> **They don’t.  That is a cartoon version of rightists.  Your video
>>> was a politician clowning.  The guy in the picture isn’t a right-winger by
>>> far. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >…Then why was the political clown performing his antics at the *Conservative
>>> *Political Action Conference? And why were the *conservative* clowns in
>>> the audience cheering mindlessly at the buffoonish politician?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  John K Clark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He knows how to appeal to right wingers.  I don’t see anything a bit
>>> right wing about how the US government is running.  Do you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> spike
>>>
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