[ExI] Summer weather and COVID-19

Sat May 23 17:56:06 UTC 2020

re Oakland and no reason to go there:  "There's no there there."  Gertrude
Stein.

bill w

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 12:48 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> > *On Behalf Of *John Clark via extropy-chat
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] Summer weather and COVID-19
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> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 7:59 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
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> > *That’s why we don’t have one here.  *Aren’t you glad we have a
> constitution?  We are too.
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> >…And that's why in the entire history of the world no country with a
> constitution has ever slipped into dictatorship...oh waite ...
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> Not just any constitution will do.  It must be one with a Bill of Rights.
> Aren’t you glad we have a Bill of Rights?  We are too.  The founders
> insisted on it.  So do we.
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> > *I don’t see that it matters which party is in charge of tightening the
> belt: either way it has to happen.*
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> >…Yeah yeah because otherwise deficit spending will destroy the
> economy, the same song and dance I've been hearing all my life and all my
> father's life too, and it's starting to get a little old…
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> If runaway deficits will never hurt us, have you ever figured out why we
> are paying taxes at all?  If so, do share please.
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> I have a theory: deficit spending will hurt us, and already is hurting
> us.  We have far less capacity to deal with the revenue drop in an
> emergency, such as a pandemic.
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> > *Authority is intentionally limited in the US. *
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> >…It's very odd, the way you keep repeating that over and over like a
> mantra it's almost as if you think it's important…
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> It is important.  It is why we have never had a dictator.  Can you think
> of any other explanation?  Do share please.
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> *> **Regardless of government orders, businesses and shops will open
> anyway, and are already opening, such as Musk’s local car factory. *
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> >…Speaking of Elon Musk, he predicted on March 19 that there would be “*close
> to zero new cases*” in the U.S. “*by end of April*". Yesterday was May 22
> and there were 24,197 new cases in the U.S…John K Clark
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> The new cases are not in Fremont CA.  The car factory was closed by the
> county of Alameda, which is still getting about 50-80 new cases a day.  But
> most (nearly all) of these of these are in Berkeley and Oakland, up that
> way.  We know that the Berkeley crowd packs em in like teenagers in the
> back seat of a VW, and Oakland, well... let’s not go there.  I jump at
> every opportunity to not go to Oakland: too dangerous.
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> But Musk doesn’t do that in his factory.  If you take a tour (I highly
> recommend even if only a virtual tour:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr9kK0_7x08 ) you see that the factory is
> far less crowded than a typical WalMart during 0600 Tuesday morning Geezer
> Hour.  The city of Oakland should not be dictating to Fremont, with
> fundamentally different conditions.  Shutdown rules should be made at the
> city level.
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> John your observation is exactly the problem: generalizing to the entire
> country a problem concentrated in the mega metropolitan areas, problems
> they have brought on themselves by continuing to build skyward with those
> absurd population densities.  Fremont isn’t that way: there you find clean,
> extended suburbs where people are taking the appropriate precautions, where
> the virus isn’t a big threat.  But a general shutdown is a big threat: a
> lot bigger than the virus.  I live near Fremont: 26 cases, no fatalities.
> Some local businesses never did close.  The local constables did not
> intervene.
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> Are you still getting your paychecks during the shutdown?  Factory workers
> do not, which is why they went to work in defiance of Alameda county health
> department’s orders.  Factory workers and shop owners need their paychecks
> and sales: small business employees need their paychecks.  Try to see it
> from their perspective.
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> Here’s a modest proposal: if you are one who is still getting your
> paychecks, argue for ending the shutdown.  If you are one whose paychecks
> came to an end with the shutdown, argue for continuing the shutdown.  Then
> both will have greater credibility.  My paychecks are still coming, and I
> think it is time to end the shutdown, forthwith.  It is now doing more harm
> than good, in my view.  Let the metro areas continue doing as they see fit
> of course (New York must stay shut down for now (my condolences to those
> who inhabit those overcrowded places (but you don’t need to live there
> (lotsa open space out here (don’t worry, you won’t turn into an ignorant
> redneck if you move out of there and come here (well, not right away (your
> children might (heh, just kidding (sorta.)))))))
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> John I will freely offer you a congratulations of sorts.  You managed to
> state your case without any overt political content.  As soon as the name
> of any politician or party comes into a post, we recognize the true intent:
> it is a pointless campaign.  Your latest post didn’t have it.  Well done
> indeed.  Do strive to make all your posts focus on the problem rather than
> promoting a particular political view.  People are more likely to consider
> your arguments.
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