[ExI] Essential Upload Data

[William Flynn Wallace]

Just to toss in my two cents, one with inflation,
 What do you think a consciousness is, if not the information that is being
duplicated? Your language implies that someone's consciousness, their mind,
is a separate thing from the duplicated information.  ben

Well, that's what I think.  I think that consciousness is a dynamic
process, which can show up on an EEG,  whereas stored information is a
static process (it used to be thought that a memory was a circuit
continually running and if it stopped running the memory was lost).
Consciousness is the part that accesses the static elements if desired
(pulling long term memory into short term memory), along with processing
sensory information.  I also would not call consciousness the mind, since
most of the mind is unconscious (and static unless called on (?), like
accessing the definition of a word).  bill w

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM Ben via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 23/05/2020 14:38, Re Rose wrote:
>
> Magical thinking is NOT involved in my descriptions. I think it is magical
> thinking to imagine that your consciousness will leap over into another,
> separate agent that has a copy of your neural data. No one yet has said
> *how* that will happen, even though I have asked that question a
> grillion, maybe even a brillion times to this list. That's a lot of times.
>
>
> This is a straw-man argument. Nobody thinks that your consciousness 'leaps
> over' into a separate agent, any more than Beethovens 9th 'leaps over' into
> a new CD recording of it. The point is that the separate agent is already
> your consciousness, by means of being the *same information*. You might
> be asking a made-up numerical quantity of times meant to convey 'a lot',
> how it will happen, but you are ignoring the answer.
>
> When you say:
> "I believe making a copy is not possible, and that a "good enough" copy is
> not "good enough" if your consciousness cannot access it."
>
> You are missing the point entirely. What do you think a consciousness is,
> if not the information that is being duplicated? Your language implies that
> someone's consciousness, their mind, is a separate thing from the
> duplicated information. This is not the idea. It's like saying that the
> digital marks on a CD are not the music, and that the music has to 'access'
> the marks after they have been made.
>
> "... within non-linear systems that have multiple possible equilibria but
> are in a specific equilibria. These become de-entrained (exactly as they do
> during aging process, but farther away from equilibria) and without initial
> boundary conditions it will not be possible for them to become re-entrained
> in the same equilibria. That essential  information is not copiable, and
> cannot be retrieved."
>
> You'll have to give some specific examples of what you mean by this, or I
> can't make any sense of it.
>
> It seems you disagree when I said we'd already discussed, and disposed of,
> the 'information in the body' issue as being either totally irrelevant or
> easily solvable. So let's revisit that, and decide whether specific and
> exact individual somatic information is important for an upload or not.
>
>
> And I'd really like to know your answer to the 'amoeba' question. If
> someone's complete body and brain were duplicated in exactly the same way
> that an amoeba duplicates itself, who do you think the two resulting people
> would be? Two completely new people, or two versions of the same person?
> Has the original person died? Or is there some other interpretation?
>
> --
> Ben Zaiboc
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