[ExI] Essential Upload Data

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Mon May 25 15:19:12 UTC 2020

If my memory is serving me well (not likely) it has been estimated that
only about 25% of what is said is adequately communicated.  Part of that, I
suppose, is that you have to count both errors: errors in what is said, and
errors in what is understood by the receiver.  It gets even worse, I think,
when you consider class reunions:  the communicator doesn't remember an
event well and then states it poorly, and the receiver has different
memories of the event and then garbles what he hears.  bill

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 8:56 AM Ben via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 24/05/2020 23:04, bill w wrote:
> But it's not correct to say that dynamic processes can't be represented by
> static data
> I never said that.  I agree with you.
> Ah, ok. I misunderstood.
> After this:
> -------------------
> What do you think a consciousness is, if not the information that is being
> duplicated? Your language implies that someone's consciousness, their mind,
> is a separate thing from the duplicated information.  ben
> Well, that's what I think.  I think that consciousness is a dynamic
> process, which can show up on an EEG,  whereas stored information is a
> static process (it used to be thought that a memory was a circuit
> continually running and if it stopped running the memory was lost).
> Consciousness is the part that accesses the static elements if desired
> (pulling long term memory into short term memory), along with processing
> sensory information.  I also would not call consciousness the mind, since
> most of the mind is unconscious (and static unless called on (?), like
> accessing the definition of a word).  bill w
> ----------------------
> I thought you were saying that a mind was a separate thing from the
> information, so that reproducing information alone is not enough to
> reproduce a mind. But you're saying that a running mind is different from
> a stored mind, which nobody can argue with. I suppose they're two sides of
> the same coin. Matter/energy encoding information statically, and
> information orchestrating the dynamic flow of matter/energy.
> Natural language is a crude thing, and often not really suitable for
> conveying these sorts of things. I reckon a huge amount of time must get
> wasted because of miscommunication.
> --
> Ben Zaiboc
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