[ExI] for classical music lovers only

Fri Oct 30 21:25:26 UTC 2020

Does that mean that symphony concerts are classical?

I ask because there have been an increasing number of symphony concerts of
video game music lately - and I suspect you would not define most video
game music as "classical".  See for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrpWBgB6oz8 .

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I don't think anyone would say that anything by Tschaikovsky was not
> classical.  One of the few works that is truly popular with people who
> would never attend a symphony concert.  Which is sad - I would love to play
> some music for those doubters that I guarantee they would like.  Most
> people don't know that tunesmiths like Rachmaninoff and Chopin wrote music
> that was used in many movies from the 30s and 40 mainly.   bill w
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:32 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Does Nutcracker count as a classical opera?  That's my go-to example of a
>> stage play where there are no lyrics one must understand to understand
>> what's happening: the plot is presented through costumes, or sometimes
>> through programs explicitly handed out to the audience so they can follow
>> along.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 12:17 PM Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As I noted, you originally limited it to the past 20 years.  I take it
>>> as obvious that "classical" is mutually contradictory with such a recent
>>> time frame, so I thought you were seeking to step out of strictly classical
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> Ironic that you note your experience with opera.  I have much the same
>>> problem - but in my case, I perceive that one is meant to understand and
>>> enjoy the words as the primary thing, with the tonal presentation merely
>>> being an enhancement.  If I can not understand the words, then I can not
>>> understand what people are doing on stage - and they're usually not
>>> dancing, or otherwise visually presenting in a way that would go along with
>>> audio where voice is more of a musical instrument than a conveyor of
>>> meaning.  For this reason, I tend to shun classical opera, as I can not
>>> enjoy it.  (Where the voice is just an instrument, I can enjoy that.  Where
>>> the words are clear, I can enjoy that.  But not where there are words that
>>> are supposed to be understood - and where this is more important than the
>>> music, if any - but the vocals are incomprehensible.  This does not seem to
>>> be due to any identifiable hearing deficit, which leaves me wondering if
>>> people who claim to enjoy classical opera are able to understand the lyrics
>>> as sung - or perhaps if they have cheats, such as printouts or prior
>>> knowledge of the lyrics, which they forget to mention because "any true fan
>>> should already know these things", which is a type of barrier to entry that
>>> I have seen in multiple other fandoms.)
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tAbhrDUrqM is an example of "has voice
>>> but only as an instrument, not words" that I listen to sometimes.  (Partly
>>> since I have a minor personal connection to the game this is part of the
>>> soundtrack of.)
>>>
>>> I sometimes listen to classical purely instrumental music, but only for
>>> "good + purely instrumental", not caring about "classical".
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 11:13 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adrian -I listened. Classical??  You listen to this sort of thing on a
>>>> daily basis?  Have you ever been in therapy? This is music that is
>>>> primarily about the words.  The music was probably made up when the band
>>>> got together to put words to music, much like commercials and Nashville
>>>> country music.  My hearing deficit does not permit me, usually, to even
>>>> understand the words, regardless of volume.  So it's like opera music sung
>>>> in Italian:  I really don't care what is being said.  It's mostly soap
>>>> opera anyway.  The joy is in the sound of the voice and accompanying music
>>>> -using the voice as just another instrument which could even be singing
>>>> lalalalala.  bill w
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog was a notable production within that
>>>>> timespan, that conveyed a lot but not all of its plot through its songs.
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_hlaXcniY&list=PL78B0B3p_qZQPO8VVNTRf6wSDP9ebIoTQ
>>>>> has the playlist (plus two non-song entries, which you can ignore for this
>>>>> exercise).
>>>>>
>>>>> The second LEGO Movie might be interesting to do this exercise with
>>>>> too.  Soundtrack at
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUEbWo1uIrg&list=PL5uTL9oHnU9gbfDveKd1kVKcXwydBb-1i
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Granted, neither of these is particularly "old", but you limited it to
>>>>> the past 20 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 9:42 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
>>>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You  know, I have had this thought:  what if we heard the movie music
>>>>>> before we saw the movie?  After seeing the movie, we will have visual
>>>>>> images to go with most of the music, memory allowing.  ("I go to the
>>>>>> hills....."  Julie Andrews in an Alpine meadow)  The questions are:  can
>>>>>> the music stand alone?  Will your like or dislike of the scenes the music
>>>>>> accompanies influence your liking or disliking of the music?  I suppose a
>>>>>> test could be listening to old movie music whose movie you have not seen.
>>>>>> Or maybe someone in the group can tell me a movie they liked, and I can
>>>>>> listen to the score - or part of it, at least, should be on Youtube - an
>>>>>> invaluable resource.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have seen practically nothing in the last 20 years or so, so
>>>>>> please recommend a score.  (thanks Stuart)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bill w
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 7:56 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <
>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Wallace wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 3:36 PM William Flynn Wallace via
>>>>>>> extropy-chat
>>>>>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> > I am at the point where I think I know just about every piece up
>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>> > about 1900 or maybe 1930 that I like.  So after that I am looking
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> > new music to buy.  I get the American Record Guide and buy CDs
>>>>>>> > based on reviews and have a success rate of maybe 10%.  The
>>>>>>> > others I give away.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > So, I am interested in finding out from other classical music
>>>>>>> lovers
>>>>>>> > who, since 1900, has become a favorite whose music I might like.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> > a composer is famous I very likely know all I need to know about
>>>>>>> > him or her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would get the musical scores from the Star Wars movies performed
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> the Los Angeles Philharmonic. In so far as classical music can be
>>>>>>> considered a genre instead of a musical period ending in the 1800s,
>>>>>>> then John Williams is one of the best modern classical music
>>>>>>> composers. He is why the Star Wars movies are "space opera" instead
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> "space theater" or "space story".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stuart LaForge
>>>>>>>
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