[ExI] simulation stat goofiness

Will Steinberg steinberg.will at gmail.com
Fri Sep 18 15:33:23 UTC 2020


It enters the world of actual statistics with the way Bostom's trilemma is
composed, so I think it's fair to look at the absurdities that result

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 11:29 AM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> The simulation argument, in order to remain academically respectable, is
> intentionally phrased very conservatively so as to avoid anything that
> could be attacked as "speculation". As was pointed out upthread, it's
> already toeing a very fine line between "respectable" naturalistic
> philosophy and what Vinge so memorably referred to in A Fire Upon the Deep
> as as "applied theology", so it very scrupulously avoids even stating it's
> own first order implications, let alone speculating on its second-order
> implications.
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 9:01 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> @Spike: I'm shocked that Bostrom et al. have never seemed to address
>> this, or what they believe the world of the simulator is like, and whether
>> it's probable that the simulator is in a simulation too.  It's a half-assed
>> concept for sure.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:33 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
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>>> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Will Steinberg via extropy-chat
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>>> >… But if you keep applying this argument, eventually we reach a world
>>> which has so many levels of simulation in its simulations, that it's rare
>>> enough that their world is likely to be real…  Will
>>>
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>>> This is a most clever argument my son.  But I can assure you, it is all
>>> sims all the way up.
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>>> spike
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