[ExI] robin hood steals from the poor protects the rich?

[John Grigg]

 William Flynn Wallace wrote:
"I don't have any figures, but my guess is that a car that has 20 or 30 K
miles is a more reliable car than a new one because it has had its kinks
worked out, if any.  But I pity the person who is rather naive' about cars
and their salesmen, and is buying a used car.  Never mind the car itself-
most people do not know how to negotiate.

Oh bring back home finances, and home economics in schools and teach people
something they can use their whole lives and save beaucoups of money."

Or a person could simply do a google search on how to negotiate/haggle with
used car dealers! After reading two or three articles on the subject, they
would have at least some idea of how to do it successfully. But of course
having a big brother/father/uncle/friend/mom who knows how to do it and
shows them firsthand, cannot be underestimated.

John


On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 2:20 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I have never bought a lemon.  I did get cheated on a Toyota that had 60K
> miles, or so I thought.  It was in great shape.  My mechanic said that it
> was probably 160K.
>
> It's been some decades since I bought off a lot.  When I did, I got a 30
> day warranty or I did not buy the car.  I buy from individuals and get it
> checked out by a mechanic.  Latest buy:  2002 Town Car, 32K, not one thing
> you could see wrong with it.  Looked new.  Little old lady
> owner, literally, and garaged.  Had to replace tires.  $7000.
>
> I am truly a picky person but with a professor's income and pension, I
> cannot afford to be really picky.
>
> As for lemons, there are new cars that are lemons too.  A used car owner
> has usually found out before I buy the car what lemony things went wrong
> and fixed them (or tried to sell it to me without fixing them, which my
> mechanic catches).
>
> The only real problem I have ever had, aside from the car with the
> 'adjusted' mileage, was a Town Car that kept not wanting to crank.  (Twice
> I had it towed in and then it refused to NOT crank.  aAArrrgggghhhh!!!).  I
> replaced two computers on it, which did not fix it, and sold it and lost
> money on the deal.  Not a bad track record for buying cars since 1968.
>
> I don't have any figures, but my guess is that a car that has 20 or 30 K
> miles is a more reliable car than a new one because it has had its kinks
> worked out, if any.  But I pity the person who is rather naive' about cars
> and their salesmen, and is buying a used car.  Never mind the car itself-
> most people do not know how to negotiate.
>
> Oh bring back home finances, and home economics in schools and teach
> people something they can use their whole lives and save beaucoups of
> money.  bill w
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:10 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 6:29 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Adrian might know the real story.
>>>
>>
>> Nope, sorry.  I heard something like that, but I haven't been tracking
>> Tesla closely until recently.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 7:04 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I am willing to put up with a couple of dings here and there and maybe
>>> replace the floor mats.
>>>
>>
>> You are.  Some aren't.  They can pay more for a new car, to compensate
>> for their more picky tastes.
>>
>> There's also reputation: they think new cars are more reliable than
>> used.  "Used car salesman" - someone who pushes lemons and tries to hide
>> the lemon nature - is a stereotype for a reason, though it gets exaggerated
>> (especially in states that enforce lemon laws).
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