[ExI] [Extropolis] unvaccinated

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 21 21:20:32 UTC 2021

I read where the CDC is not telling us all the data.  Whether that comes
from a reliable source, I have no idea.  I would like to know if anyone
knows, just what the percentage of vaccinated adults have had serious side

You say that a vaccinated person has a lower chance of passing it on,
right?  But it really does not matter to me - I have to wear the mask
everywhere regardless.   Well, not outside.  bill w

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 12:52 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Reducing the death rates among those with pre-existing conditions is
> worthy, if it reduces the rates enough.
> This also reduces their chances of catching it and similar (variants) in
> some years once they've grown up.
> Perhaps most importantly to some, having them vaccinated reduces the
> chances of them retransmitting it to adults.
> So there are still good reasons to vaccinate children.
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 9:48 AM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> Here's another reason they have hesitancy...Public health agencies have
>> lost credibility by not actually "following the science."   Not a single
>> child in the US under the age of 18 has died of CV-19 without a serious
>> pre-existing condition like leukemia.   And yet, the CDC continues to
>> parrot Big Pharma talking points urging for all kids to be vaccinated
>> despite the risk of death for them from CV-19 being essentially ZERO, and
>> the risks of a young person taking a CV-19 vaccine and having serious side
>> effects are not zero.
>> Johns Hopkins Team: There Are Still Zero COVID Deaths Among Healthy Kids
>> Rather than acknowledge science, Dr. Makary says the CDC continues to use
>> 'flimsy evidence' to push the COVID vaccine upon children.
>> Audrey Unverferth
>> A team of Johns Hopkins researchers recently reported that there have
>> been zero COVID deaths among healthy kids, but the Centers for Disease
>> Control doesn’t care.
>> Dr. Marty Makary is a medical expert and professor at the Johns Hopkins
>> School of Medicine, Bloomberg School of Public Health, and Carey Business
>> School. His research team “worked with the nonprofit FAIR Health to analyze
>> approximately 48,000 children under 18 diagnosed with Covid in
>> health-insurance data from April to August 2020.”
>> After studying comprehensive data on thousands of children, the team
>> “found a mortality rate of zero among children without a pre-existing
>> medical condition such as leukemia.” Rather than acknowledge this
>> scientific reality, Makary says the CDC continues to use “flimsy evidence”
>> to push the COVID vaccine upon children.
>> As Makary noted in the Wall Street Journal on Monday, the implications of
>> his team’s research are huge. “[If our research] holds, it has significant
>> implications for healthy kids and whether they need two vaccine doses,”
>> Makary says. After all, “The National Education Association has been
>> debating whether to urge schools to require vaccination before returning to
>> school in person. How can they or anyone debate the issue without the right
>> data?”
>> Makary’s question is obvious, but no less timely. Makary says inflated
>> COVID death counts continue to be corrected and “revised downward.”
>> But rather than combat institutional distrust with scientific data and
>> discussion, Makary says the CDC is avoiding transparency and rigorous
>> inquiry. He slammed the agency on Monday, saying it “overcounts Covid
>> hospitalizations and deaths and won’t consider if one shot is sufficient.”
>> According to Makary, this problem is systemic.
>> Makary says “a tremendous number of government and private policies”
>> regarding the vaccination of children are dependent upon one questionable
>> data point. The CDC claims 335 children under the age of 18 have died with
>> a COVID diagnosis in their record. However, Makary reports that, “the CDC,
>> which has 21,000 employees, hasn’t researched each death to find out
>> whether Covid caused it or if it involved a pre-existing medical condition.”
>> “Without these data, the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices
>> decided in May that the benefits of two-dose vaccination outweigh the risks
>> for all kids 12 to 15,” Makary notes. “I’ve written hundreds of
>> peer-reviewed medical studies, and I can think of no journal editor who
>> would accept the claim that 335 deaths resulted from a virus without data
>> to indicate if the virus was incidental or causal, and without an analysis
>> of relevant risk factors such as obesity.”
>> According to Makary, the CDC defies medical research norms, by
>> propagating a “flimsy” claim without sufficient research or transparency.
>> And this isn’t an isolated incident. Makary illustrates that it’s part of a
>> pattern.
>> https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/21/johns-hopkins-team-there-are-still-zero-covid-deaths-among-healthy-kids/
>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 4:12 PM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:53 AM William Flynn Wallace <
>>> foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Here's part of the answer to the question of whypeople don't get the
>>>> vaccine:
>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/unvaccinated-americans-say-covid-vaccines-are-riskier-than-virus-even-as-delta-surges-among-them-090056685.html
>>>> bill w
>>> Yet more evidence that they are *STUPID*.
>>> John K Clark
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