[ExI] Chalmers

[William Flynn Wallace]

Chalmers divides consciousness into two parts:  psychological (like
learning and memory), and phenomenal - the experience of it- being awake, I
suppose.  Is that customary?  bill w

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 10:14 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Sheesh.
>
> Yes, Hermes, you nailed it with “philosophers try to explain their
> theories in the most complicated way possible to obfuscate potential errors”.
> It’s so frustrating to spend years, trying to understand, and even canonize
> all that “popular” consensus, only to find nothing there but ever more
> “hard” problems and meaningless circular definitions.  To me, there are
> problems with all theories that separate qualia (using separating terms
> like qualia “supervene” on something) are problematic.
>
>
>
> By the way, we’ve recently put-up new versions of the first 5 chapters on
> our video. “Consciousness: Not a Hard Problem, Just a Color Problem.
> <https://canonizer.com/videos/consciousness/>”  Hopefully, that is
> something people can understand, and experimentalists can use to finally
> falsify all the “crap in the gap” philosophies hiding in our ‘qualia
> blindness”
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 8:44 AM Hermes Trismegistus via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> That’s the problem with philosophers. They like making up their own
>> terminology. It can be difficult to distinguish the gibberish from the
>> coherent. In this case Chalmers is trying to say that something is
>> reducible if the workings of the whole is explainable in terms of the parts.
>>
>>
>>
>> In my experience philosophers try to explain their theories in the most
>> complicated way possible to obfuscate potential errors. Politicians use the
>> same technique and seeing exactly where the error is can be difficult. I
>> suggest you read something more intellectually honest such as a physics or
>> mathematics book.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 2, 2021 10:29 AM
>> *To: *extropolis at googlegroups.com; ExI chat list
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>> *Cc: *William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
>> *Subject: *[ExI] Chalmers
>>
>>
>>
>> In my constant effort to keep my brain working, I am trying The Conscious
>> Mind.
>>
>>
>>
>> "A natural phenomenon is reductively explainable in terms of some lower
>> level properties if the property of instantiating the phenomenon is
>> globally logically supervenient on the low level properties in question."
>> "A phenomenon is reductively explainable simpliciter if the property of
>> instantiating that phenomenon is globally logical supervenient on physical
>> properties."
>>
>>
>>
>> Have I bit off more than I can chew?
>>
>> bill w
>>
>>
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