[ExI] Chalmers

[Brent Allsop]

That almost makes sense.
Learning, programming, and memory are mostly subconscious since there is no
computational binding of that into consciousness.
It all must be "recalled" into our consciousness (computationally bound)
CPU, before we are consciously aware of it.
So, given that, are you/they saying that consciousness (that which is
computationally bound) is not "psychological"?






On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 9:27 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Chalmers divides consciousness into two parts:  psychological (like
> learning and memory), and phenomenal - the experience of it- being awake, I
> suppose.  Is that customary?  bill w
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 10:14 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Sheesh.
>>
>> Yes, Hermes, you nailed it with “philosophers try to explain their
>> theories in the most complicated way possible to obfuscate potential errors”.
>> It’s so frustrating to spend years, trying to understand, and even canonize
>> all that “popular” consensus, only to find nothing there but ever more
>> “hard” problems and meaningless circular definitions.  To me, there are
>> problems with all theories that separate qualia (using separating terms
>> like qualia “supervene” on something) are problematic.
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, we’ve recently put-up new versions of the first 5 chapters on
>> our video. “Consciousness: Not a Hard Problem, Just a Color Problem.
>> <https://canonizer.com/videos/consciousness/>”  Hopefully, that is
>> something people can understand, and experimentalists can use to finally
>> falsify all the “crap in the gap” philosophies hiding in our ‘qualia
>> blindness”
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 8:44 AM Hermes Trismegistus via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> That’s the problem with philosophers. They like making up their own
>>> terminology. It can be difficult to distinguish the gibberish from the
>>> coherent. In this case Chalmers is trying to say that something is
>>> reducible if the workings of the whole is explainable in terms of the parts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my experience philosophers try to explain their theories in the most
>>> complicated way possible to obfuscate potential errors. Politicians use the
>>> same technique and seeing exactly where the error is can be difficult. I
>>> suggest you read something more intellectually honest such as a physics or
>>> mathematics book.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
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>>> *Cc: *William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
>>> *Subject: *[ExI] Chalmers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my constant effort to keep my brain working, I am trying The
>>> Conscious Mind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "A natural phenomenon is reductively explainable in terms of some lower
>>> level properties if the property of instantiating the phenomenon is
>>> globally logically supervenient on the low level properties in question."
>>> "A phenomenon is reductively explainable simpliciter if the property of
>>> instantiating that phenomenon is globally logical supervenient on physical
>>> properties."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have I bit off more than I can chew?
>>>
>>> bill w
>>>
>>>
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