[ExI] question not being asked in Alec Baldwin shooting

[William Flynn Wallace]

In some states clinical psychologists can testify before a judge as to the
necessity of putting someone in a mental facility, not necessarily a
hospital.  Psychiatrists are in charge in every state.

You have reached my limit of understanding of the legal implications of
mental disorders.

Some people benefit from yoga, various diets, meditation, various legal and
illegal chemicals, and so on.  But talking cures, now popular:  cognitive
behavior therapy - have the best track record outside of pills, but it's
still fairly low and doesn't apply to any serious disorders like manic
depression or schizophrenia.  We don't understand those any better than we
did when I gave up on clinical psych in 1967.

You might try Henry for current information.  He must have a license and
know far more than I do.   bill w

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 1:48 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> >…Spike, no, schizophrenia is not illegal, but records are kept as to who
> has been admitted to mental institutions.  Schizophrenia of any kind is
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> Oh boy, Billw, this answer brings up all manner of new and interesting
> questions.  I do appreciate your comment, which it does strongly reinforce
> the notion that one should never ever willingly go to a mental health
> professional, regardless of need, for it could result in a permanent record
> which would follow the patient forever, with definite risk of harming the
> patient.  This appears to me to be in violation of the first sentence in
> the Hippocratic oath.  But that oath doesn’t apply to all mental health
> professionals.
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> Furthermore…it’s a classic Catch-22.  If one resists being admitted for
> psychiatric care for paranoia, that would demonstrate sanity, for it would
> be a perfectly justified resistance.  To voluntarily admit oneself for
> psychological care then would be potentially self-destructive and insane.
> But to resist would demonstrates sanity, proving that such care isn’t
> needed, for the patient or client is sane.  The mind boggles.
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> >…  Psychiatrists and psychologists have a legal duty to report dangerous
> people to the police, and no, this does not violate client privacy…
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> This too brings up a new and interesting question, because there may be
> people who are giving some form of psychological care without all the
> proper credentials, which is legal if it isn’t medical care.  What if one
> has a bachelor of arts with minor in psychology?  And what if… a minister
> judges the… client (?  (patient?  parishioner? (sinner?  (infidel?))))  as
> being dangerous because she does not believe Noah’s ark was literal and
> real, reports the flaming heretic to the police as being dangerous (to his
> belief system (threatens his safe space)) and then what?  Is there a
> particular credential or license required to be legally qualified to decide
> if someone is dangerous?  Or if I judge my neighbor is dangerous because
> she is out stumping for Bernie Sanders, can I report her with just an
> engineering degree since I took a class in psychology?
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> What if she is not really dangerous but clearly has something seriously
> wrong, such as agoraphobia?  This has become common with the covid
> nightmare.  I am not kidding, I have a neighbor across the fence who has
> not been seen outdoors since March 2020, but I know she is alive because I
> see her silhouette on the shade and I know the difference between her
> shadow and her husband’s.  What if I suspect she is voting by mail while
> being whatever she is?
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> Billw, can agoraphobia be induced by quarantines?  I think they can and I
> think they did in some people.
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> >…As for OCD, I don't know of any condition for which there is safe,
> effective treatment… bill w
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> Nor do I, but I believe such a thing exists and that some people use it
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