[ExI] 27 psychedelics??

Tue Apr 26 21:18:27 UTC 2022

I just get the feeling, Will, that people in our group are very dubious
that you have to do some drugs to understand reality or themselves.  I am
more than doubtful.  There appears to me to be no way to test this
assumption.   bill w

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 4:08 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> There are a couple specific fake drugs you might get like 25i-NBOMe
> instead of LSD but in general psychs are pretty clean.  Mushrooms are
> usually mushrooms, acid is usually acid, DMT is usually DMT.  The latter 2
> are hypothetically easy for anyone to produce from legal items, too.
>
> IMO the main danger of psychedelics would be longer-term mental issues
> like depression or paranoia.  Usually the worst that would happen in an
> extreme bad trip scenario is someone thinks they have to go to the hospital
> (panic attack) and then has a shitty time there because a hospital is
> probably a pretty bad place to be tripping (or worse, jail or the back of a
> police car).  But yeah I'd say long-term derealization/dissociation effects
> are worst case.  Once you see the fabric that reality is made of, things
> can feel fake if you don't integrate that property.
>
> It's like being in Conway's Game of Life and then SEEING the entire board
> and thinking "wtf, we're all just squares?!".  The trick is to realize that
> life and consciousness don't distinguish between substrates so it's fine to
> be squares or whatever.
>
> Of course the squarely SQUARE squares I'm squaring off with here won't
> care, for them it's neither here nor there...but if they dare to partake in
> the apparently perilous fare of a 3mmx3mm^2 square of Lysergsäure (which I
> would share) then maybe they could tear through the error of seeing what
> seems to be there as something (not squares,) and then be aware that we are
> but squares acting and acted in a square fable reflected and refracted on a
> square stage, and albeit strange they would be able and willing to pare
> that silly error filling their minds, and see through the cracks and the
> tears, as they reacted then they would in fact find that magic
> is...[BLACKED OUT, REDACTED] ;)
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:50 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
>> Of *Will Steinberg via extropy-chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] 27 psychedelics??
>>
>> >…Why are you so against it?  I don't really understand.  Upbringing?  It
>> seems very anti-learning…
>>
>>
>>
>> Could be early perceptions are influencing my attitude.  When I was a
>> child, rock stars seemed to be dropping dead regularly.  Judy Garland (ja I
>> know she wasn’t a rock star, but liked her voice),
>>
>>
>> Judy Garland died from a barbiturate overdose — not from using
>> psychedelics.
>>
>> Alan Wilson,
>>
>>
>> Wilson also died from a barbiturate overdose — not from using
>> psychedelics.
>>
>> Jimi Hendrix
>>
>>
>> He died from asphyxiation after using barbiturates from choking on his
>> own vomit. Again, not from psychedelics.
>>
>> and Janis Joplin
>>
>>
>> She died from a heroin overdose. Again, not a narcotic.
>>
>> were all in the same few weeks as I recall, Jim Morrison
>>
>>
>> Seems to have died of a heroin overdose too, though no autopsy was
>> performed.
>>
>> was a little later, Mama Cass they half-ass tried to tell us she choked
>> on a ham sandwich, but we suspect it was dope or perhaps heart failure.
>>
>>
>> Based on what? The coroner said she choked to death while eating a
>> sandwich in bed. Why do you believe this to be in error? Anyhow, probably
>> not psychedelics.
>>
>> It did seem like drugs were taking a lotta stars,
>>
>>
>> The drugs being barbiturates, heroin, and eating in bed — not
>> psychedelics. (I’d hazard a guess alcohol and tobacco have probably done
>> more stars in.)
>>
>> and ja I realize acid ODs are not fatal usually but in any case, I do
>> admire your openness and honesty about the risks, going crazy and vast
>> nightmare realms.  That last part has a poetic ring to it, but I would
>> rather read about it in a poem than live it.
>>
>>
>> The risks I’d be more worried about with psychedelics are a) not knowing
>> what you’re getting — which could mean the dose level as well as
>> impurities, both factors having to do with they’re mostly being illegal —
>> and b) doing something dangerous while on them — such as deciding to walk
>> into traffic. The second can be mitigated by having trusted people around
>> to guide you.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dan
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